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Old 11-08-2013, 12:28 AM  
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Nomination is Christie's to lose?

I'm having a hard time seeing how Chris Christie doesn't walk away with thing at this point, and I can't decide if that's a good thing or a bad thing. There's plenty to like about him, though I don't know too much about his foreign policy.

At this point, I don't think Rand can knock him off. I don't think Cruz can knock him off. It's hard to believe Perry could given how terribly he fared the last time around.

There's a lot to happen between then and now - but that's kind of the point. Christie is going to be travelling the country campaigning for governors and raising a ton of cash. And to boot, he's winning a lot of democrats over - he'd have to to win as large as he has in Jersey. He's winning blue dogs over with tough love. He's basically selling conservative ideas minus the Jesus, and what we're seeing is that there's a huge base of democrats that eat it up like Alpo.

Christie is a real problem for the Democrats because if they're running Hillary, they're running her as a leftist version of Christie, and he's going to suck all of the air out of that conversation.

It's hard to imagine right now who is going to beat this juggernaut. I don't think Christie needs either Christian conservatives or libertarians to win. I think he'll pull enough out of the Democrat column to manage just fine.
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Old 11-12-2013, 05:36 PM   #226
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I'm not a fan either, but I hope that there aren't too many people who would rather see a Hillary presidency than hold their noses and vote for a dickhead.
To be honest, the "lesser of two evils" logic will always result in a disappointing president. When the best argument for a candidate is "well, at least they're not the other guy," that candidate isn't worth voting for.
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Old 11-12-2013, 05:45 PM   #227
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To be honest, the "lesser of two evils" logic will always result in a disappointing president. When the best argument for a candidate is "well, at least they're not the other guy," that candidate isn't worth voting for.
The lesser of two evils would have produced a disappointing president. Refusing to elect the lesser of two evils produced a disaster.
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Old 11-12-2013, 06:03 PM   #228
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I didn't say Hispanics are Republicans. Duh! I was talking about Cubans who are part of the Hispanic vote...and they tend to live in Florida.
You said Hispanics are Republicans.

Cubans WERE Republicans because of Regans anti-Castro stance. They have moved on. Most are working stiffs and they know that the Republicans are not the party of working stiffs.
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Old 11-12-2013, 06:10 PM   #229
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You've got a lot more optimistic view of a McCain presidency than I do.

I'm trying not to be too closed minded about the thought, but I'm having a real tough time seeing McCain as much of an improvement, especially with a democrat house and senate at the time.

I'm trying to figure out what conservatives gain under that scenario, and I'm coming up pretty well empty. Maybe McCain wouldn't have done cash for Clunkers. Maybe he wouldn't have done Obamacare in its current form (maybe? I'm not sure what McCain would have managed - I can't imagine it being much better whatever he pulled off).

Worst of all, none of the course corrections the Republican party were forced to make would have happened. There is no tea party resurgence under McCain. There is no sequester. The debt ceiling continues to be a rubber stamp issue. And the war would have surely expanded.

No matter to me. McCain, like Romney made it very clear that he didn't want support by way of libertarians. Both candidates did everything they could do to alienate libertarian voters, short of telling them to not vote for them. Hard to feel guilty when both candidates made it crystal clear that they'd rather win support from the left than from "the far" right
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Old 11-12-2013, 06:19 PM   #230
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You've got a lot more optimistic view of a McCain presidency than I do.
No shit, how many wars would have McCain got us into? Georgia? War with Russia? Libya? Syria? Iran? We'd still be in Iraq and have 100K troops in Adghanistan.

He would have had no clue how to get us out of the great recession.

What if the stress of the Presidency caused a heart attack or stroke? President Palin? OMG indeed.
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Old 11-12-2013, 06:31 PM   #231
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I'm not a fan either, but I hope that there aren't too many people who would rather see a Hillary presidency than hold their noses and vote for a dickhead. Barack Obama and his reign of destruction were avoidable.
I'm no fan. I had a chance to vote for Hillary and voted for the Kenyan muslim.

But, it will be a cold day in hell before I vote for an extremist candidate like Cruz.
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Old 11-12-2013, 07:12 PM   #232
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No shit, how many wars would have McCain got us into? Georgia? War with Russia? Libya? Syria? Iran? We'd still be in Iraq and have 100K troops in Adghanistan.

He would have had no clue how to get us out of the great recession.

What if the stress of the Presidency caused a heart attack or stroke? President Palin? OMG indeed.
Thank God for Neville Obama! Peace in our time.
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Old 11-12-2013, 07:30 PM   #233
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I'm no fan. I had a chance to vote for Hillary and voted for the Kenyan muslim.

But, it will be a cold day in hell before I vote for an extremist candidate like Cruz.
But an "extremist" like Obama you did.

You probably wouldn't have voted for a single Founding Father of our country if he ran.
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Old 11-12-2013, 07:33 PM   #234
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No shit, how many wars would have McCain got us into? Georgia? War with Russia? Libya? Syria? Iran? We'd still be in Iraq and have 100K troops in Adghanistan.
Patteeu is so turned on right now.
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Old 11-12-2013, 07:42 PM   #235
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Old 11-12-2013, 07:44 PM   #236
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But an "extremist" like Obama you did.

You probably wouldn't have voted for a single Founding Father of our country if he ran.
It appears I'm a direct descendant of Benjamin Franklins brother. So, I guess I would vote for him out of pure nepotism.
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I'm not a fan either, but I hope that there aren't too many people who would rather see a Hillary presidency than hold their noses and vote for a dickhead. Barack Obama and his reign of destruction were avoidable.
Barack Obama is a better president than John McCain ever would have been.
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