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Old 10-16-2013, 06:23 PM  
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If Ted Cruz didnít exist, Democrats would have to invent him

A true cynic about American politics would, at this point, be forced to one conclusion: Sen. Ted Cruz is a Democratic sleeper agent.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...to-invent-him/

It is tough to appreciate just how much good Ted Cruz has done the Democrats over these last few weeks.

- He convinced Republicans to shut down the government rather than wait and fight over the debt ceiling, where they would have had more -- and more dangerous -- leverage.

- He splintered the Republican Party such that, from day one, it was clear that the GOP leadership opposed the strategy they were executing, and GOP senators were publicly blasting House Republicans. That also cut the GOP's leverage.

- He made this a fight over defunding Obamacare, which polls showed was a wildly unpopular reason to shut down the government, and which united Democrats against him.

- He shut the government down on Oct. 1, the same day Obamacare began, thus distracting the American people from the law's catastrophic rollout.

- He drove the Republican Party to its lowest levels of popularity ever recorded in polls.

- He actually managed to make Obamacare more popular at a time when, by all rights, the law's extremely troubled launch should've been eroding its standing in the polls.

- The culmination of the strategy, today, is that Republicans are reopening the government and raising the debt ceiling in return for...nothing.

There are no policy concessions from the Democrats (income verification is already part of Obamacare). There are no procedural concessions from the Democrats. Just the opposite, in fact.

Democrats managed to get the budget conference they've been pursuing for six months. They got a CR of the length they wanted and ending before the next sequestration cuts rather than six-month CR that Sen. Susan Collins proposed. They got a debt-ceiling increase all the way into February. This is far beyond what Democrats thought possible on Sept. 30.

But the strategy Ted Cruz managed to force on the GOP was so suicidal that Democrats felt comfortable forcing Republicans to cave completely. They were so confident that they managed to reject a deal proposed by Sen. Susan Collins and supported by many Senate Democrats because it funded the government for longer than the Democratic leadership preferred. That's a level of control over the outcome that Democrats never expected to have.

Going forward, not only will Republicans be afraid to shut down the government or threaten the debt ceiling again during this Congress, but if Republicans somehow end up doing it anyway, Democrats will be unafraid of the fight. As Democrats see it, if Republicans want to give a shutdown or a default another shot closer to the 2014 election, well, that's great news for Democratic congressional candidates.

Over the last 24 hours I've seen some Republicans complaining that President Obama and the Democrats are trying to break them. Their anger is misplaced. They should be angry at Ted Cruz for putting Republicans in a position to be broken.
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Old 11-15-2013, 11:53 AM   #46
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Does it? That was a really close race. You seem to be confusing people hoping their side wins in that case to people rejecting reality and passing off things they don't want to hear as liberal bias.
It was about as close as this one was. W was leading in nearly all the polls, only stupid idiot LIberals were dumb enough to think Kerry actually had a chance. (Then they complained afterwards that W "stole" the election with faulty ballot boxes in Ohio LULZ)
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Old 11-15-2013, 11:56 AM   #47
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It was about as close as this one was.
lol. What?
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Old 11-15-2013, 01:00 PM   #48
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It was about as close as this one was. W was leading in nearly all the polls, only stupid idiot LIberals were dumb enough to think Kerry actually had a chance. (Then they complained afterwards that W "stole" the election with faulty ballot boxes in Ohio LULZ)
I don't understand why conservatives don't see that they're heading down the same road by glorifying candidates who are not just a little unpopular, but so polarizing to liberals and moderates.
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Old 11-15-2013, 02:12 PM   #49
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I don't understand why conservatives don't see that they're heading down the same road by glorifying candidates who are not just a little unpopular, but so polarizing to liberals and moderates.
I'm pretty sure any Republican candidate becomes polarizing to liberals once he is going up against their guy.
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Old 11-15-2013, 02:29 PM   #50
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I'm having a hard time seeing how Ted Cruz doesn't look like an absolute hero right now for doing everything he possibly could to avoid this. He really stuck his neck out there for the American people, all these millions losing their insurance, and especially the ones with cancer who are losing their doctors. He understood the gravity of this bill... and now so does everyone else.
What cancer patients are losing their doctors and what does Obamacare have to do with that?
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Old 11-15-2013, 04:07 PM   #51
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What cancer patients are losing their doctors and what does Obamacare have to do with that?
I just heard Obama say live on MSNBC. Jettio should jump off a tall building
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Old 11-16-2013, 12:05 AM   #52
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I'm pretty sure any Republican candidate becomes polarizing to liberals once he is going up against their guy.
Staunch liberals. There are plenty of centrist liberals and republicans who can easily be swung (the centrist republicans would probably vote for any liberal that was a little more centrist).
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Old 11-16-2013, 04:26 AM   #53
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I'm pretty sure any Republican candidate becomes polarizing to liberals once he is going up against their guy.
And vice versa. If you think Barack Obama was rock bottom and just wait till Hillary Clinton becomes President.
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Old 11-16-2013, 04:30 AM   #54
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And vice versa. If you think Barack Obama was rock bottom and just wait till Hillary Clinton becomes President.
What? Bill Clinton>Obama any day.
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And vice versa. If you think Barack Obama was rock bottom and just wait till Hillary Clinton becomes President.
Obama won the first election because he gave the impression that he could reach across the aisle. That was completely off. He won the last election because the Republicans sabotaged themselves.
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Old 11-16-2013, 03:04 PM   #56
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A big reason why McCain lost to Obama? Picking Cruz's buddy Palin...
A big reason why McCain lost, my friends, is that he is McCain.

You drones who are programmed by the media's sound bites don't understand that this guy is and idiot self proclaimed "progressive Republican". How is it so hard to understand that in 2008 we had Dumb and Dumber running for President.

Then in 2012, we ran the loser to Dumber.

The Republican establishment played whack a mole all cycle against the conservatives and then they are surprised when Romnibus pulls 3 million fewer votes than McHales Navy.

Slobama got less votes in 2012 as well. In hindsight, I am glad that he will get to own the cluster*** that he and all you dipshits who voted for him created.

Be happy in the hope you have created for yourselves.
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Old 11-16-2013, 11:16 PM   #57
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A big reason why McCain lost, my friends, is that he is McCain.

You drones who are programmed by the media's sound bites don't understand that this guy is and idiot self proclaimed "progressive Republican". How is it so hard to understand that in 2008 we had Dumb and Dumber running for President.
True. But he still could have passed with a better VP.

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Then in 2012, we ran the loser to Dumber.

The Republican establishment played whack a mole all cycle against the conservatives and then they are surprised when Romnibus pulls 3 million fewer votes than McHales Navy.

Slobama got less votes in 2012 as well. In hindsight, I am glad that he will get to own the cluster*** that he and all you dipshits who voted for him created.

Be happy in the hope you have created for yourselves.
The sad part of this statement is that the Republicans are actually boycotting their own candidates in order to make the case for a candidate who can never win in a general election.
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