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Old 11-16-2013, 05:21 PM  
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If I had to pick a QB in this class who I would like to see us go after, he would be my man. I would not be upset if we got him...

[I'd rather develop Bray]


But is he just a product of the Baylor Offense? He has the arm and high football IQ that you are looking for...
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Old 11-17-2013, 05:20 PM   #16
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Sacc overvalues linemen and QBs currently on the roster. Surprise.
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Old 11-18-2013, 12:39 AM   #17
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There isn't a guy in this draft that has a snowballs chance in hell of beating out Smith, Daniel or Bray in the next three years.
Are you ****ing serious?

Smith is on a 2 year contract. There's no guarantee he's extended. Daniel is ****ing garbage and, iirc, can be cut next year without a penny owed. And Bray hasn't shown dick, yet.

This team still needs a QB. I'd rather "waste" a pick on a guy that didn't have a snowballs chance in hell (Russell Wilson) than pick a ****ing guard.
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Old 11-18-2013, 05:58 PM   #18
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Are you ****ing serious?

Smith is on a 2 year contract. There's no guarantee he's extended. Daniel is ****ing garbage and, iirc, can be cut next year without a penny owed. And Bray hasn't shown dick, yet.

This team still needs a QB. I'd rather "waste" a pick on a guy that didn't have a snowballs chance in hell (Russell Wilson) than pick a ****ing guard.
Yeah...Russell Wilson. Because there's guys like that in every draft. Joe Montana, Tom Brady...guys like that.

And of course Bray hasn't shown dick. When did you think that was going to happen? Last week? This week?

Totally serious.

Name the "Russell Wilson" in this draft. Name a guy in this draft who is going to beat out anyone on this roster.

I'll help you with it - there isn't one.
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Old 11-18-2013, 08:58 PM   #19
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Name the "Russell Wilson" in this draft. Name a guy in this draft who is going to beat out anyone on this roster.

I'll help you with it - there isn't one.
There is NEVER one right?

Just like there's never a Ryan Tannehill, Colin Kaepernick, Nick Foles, EJ Manuel, Kirk Cousins, etc...

Definitely safer to pick a guard.
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Old 11-18-2013, 09:27 PM   #20
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Yeah...Russell Wilson. Because there's guys like that in every draft. Joe Montana, Tom Brady...guys like that.

And of course Bray hasn't shown dick. When did you think that was going to happen? Last week? This week?

Totally serious.

Name the "Russell Wilson" in this draft. Name a guy in this draft who is going to beat out anyone on this roster.

I'll help you with it - there isn't one.
No guy is going to beat out Alex Smith this year.

The point is we better start preparing for life after Alex. Bray isn't enough.
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Old 11-18-2013, 10:30 PM   #21
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No guy is going to beat out Alex Smith this year.

The point is we better start preparing for life after Alex. Bray isn't enough.
The Chiefs are like the majority of their fans...

Fan 1 - "There isn't a QB worth picking. It's best we choose a lineman and play it safe."

2 years later...

Fan 2 - "What about QB X?"

Fan 1 - "LOL! Hindsight 50/50!!!"

I believe the Chiefs spend more time scouting backup QBs on other teams than they do college QBs.

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Old 11-19-2013, 05:56 AM   #22
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Old 11-19-2013, 05:49 PM   #24
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No guy is going to beat out Alex Smith this year.

The point is we better start preparing for life after Alex. Bray isn't enough.
Bray is a four year project.

The guy hasn't seen the field his rookie season and deservedly so.

So how can anyone state that "Bray isn't enough."? You can't, because you don't know.

And there isn't a rookie in the 2014 draft that has his tools. There isn't a rookie in the 2014 draft that's going to beat out Smith next year. Or the year after.

I'm sorry that is what it is, but it is what it is.

Drafting another QB in 2014 is simply pissing away a pick. They would be the fourth QB on the roster and would be on the practice squad at best. Guaranteed. It's a class filled with "just guys" other than Manziel and I'm still not sure about him as an NFL QB in this day and age.

What I do know is that our guards and wide receivers need to be upgraded immediately if this team is going to have a chance in the next three to five years, which is the window they have.

They will start looking at QB's in the 2015 and later drafts depending upon Bray's development, but you sure as shit aren't going to see one in 2014. You better hope that it's guard/receiver every other pick unless a stud at FS or TE is available when they pick in the first round. However, they have a good shot at getting a very, very good guard or receiver at their first round selection regardless.

I beseech you to think objectively on this and realize that drafting a mediocre QB prospect in 2014 would be folly.
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Old 11-19-2013, 06:31 PM   #25
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You better hope that it's guard/receiver every other pick unless a stud at FS or TE is available when they pick in the first round.
Oh god yes.

I'm just hoping and praying the Chiefs find it in their hearts to finally address the line in the first round!

Come on Dorsey! Answer my prayers!
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Bray is a four year project.

The guy hasn't seen the field his rookie season and deservedly so.

So how can anyone state that "Bray isn't enough."? You can't, because you don't know.

And there isn't a rookie in the 2014 draft that has his tools. There isn't a rookie in the 2014 draft that's going to beat out Smith next year. Or the year after.

I'm sorry that is what it is, but it is what it is.

Drafting another QB in 2014 is simply pissing away a pick. They would be the fourth QB on the roster and would be on the practice squad at best. Guaranteed. It's a class filled with "just guys" other than Manziel and I'm still not sure about him as an NFL QB in this day and age.

What I do know is that our guards and wide receivers need to be upgraded immediately if this team is going to have a chance in the next three to five years, which is the window they have.

They will start looking at QB's in the 2015 and later drafts depending upon Bray's development, but you sure as shit aren't going to see one in 2014. You better hope that it's guard/receiver every other pick unless a stud at FS or TE is available when they pick in the first round. However, they have a good shot at getting a very, very good guard or receiver at their first round selection regardless.

I beseech you to think objectively on this and realize that drafting a mediocre QB prospect in 2014 would be folly.
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Old 11-19-2013, 06:56 PM   #27
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The Chiefs are like the majority of their fans...

Fan 1 - "There isn't a QB worth picking. It's best we choose a lineman and play it safe."

2 years later...

Fan 2 - "What about QB X?"

Fan 1 - "LOL! Hindsight 50/50!!!"

I believe the Chiefs spend more time scouting backup QBs on other teams than they do college QBs.
Completely unrealistic.

It's not that there isn't a QB worth picking (even though that's the case in the 2014 draft), it's that picking one is simply going to be a waste of a pick as they aren't going to beat out anyone on this roster and will be relegated to the practice squad at best. That's a waste of a pick.

And you are using failed logic in thinking that the Chiefs are going to draft Russell Wilson, Tom Brady or Joe Montana rather than a guy who will join the vast multitudes of QBs who were drafted in the later rounds who have never made an NFL roster, busted out or whathaveyou.

You, sir, are living a pipe dream.
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Old 11-19-2013, 06:58 PM   #28
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Completely unrealistic.

It's not that there isn't a QB worth picking (even though that's the case in the 2014 draft), it's that picking one is simply going to be a waste of a pick as they aren't going to beat out anyone on this roster and will be relegated to the practice squad at best. That's a waste of a pick.

And you are using failed logic in thinking that the Chiefs are going to draft Russell Wilson, Tom Brady or Joe Montana rather than a guy who will join the vast multitudes of QBs who were drafted in the later rounds who have never made an NFL roster, busted out or whathaveyou.

You, sir, are living a pipe dream.
Of course I'm living in a pipe dream.

I will never give up hope that the Chiefs will get out of their own ****ing way and make their own luck.

After all, they will never pick the next Russell Wilson when they are busy picking guards.
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I reemember one time I said, "man I like this russell wilson kid a lot, let's take him in the third round," and everyone was all, "that's too early, you can get him in the fifth but its a wasted pick because he's super short and will never make it." And I was all, "yeah but he plays behind the biggest line in college at wisconsin," and everyone was all, "too short!" Tell me sacc, where did you stand on russell wilson?
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I reemember one time I said, "man I like this russell wilson kid a lot, let's take him in the third round," and everyone was all, "that's too early, you can get him in the fifth but its a wasted pick because he's super short and will never make it." And I was all, "yeah but he plays behind the biggest line in college at wisconsin," and everyone was all, "too short!" Tell me sacc, where did you stand on russell wilson?
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