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Old 11-16-2013, 05:21 PM  
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Bryce Petty

If I had to pick a QB in this class who I would like to see us go after, he would be my man. I would not be upset if we got him...

[I'd rather develop Bray]


But is he just a product of the Baylor Offense? He has the arm and high football IQ that you are looking for...
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Old 11-20-2013, 05:58 PM   #46
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Actually, scratch that. I'm wrong. I thought it was a front-loaded deal.

It's 3 years, $10 million, with $3 million signing bonus and $4.8 guaranteed. His salary number for 2013 was only $800,000, so we'd end up eating some dead space if we cut him next year.

**** you, Dorsey.

The other interesting thing about it, though, is there's a clause that makes the contract void if he throws for 2000 yards in a season, basically putting in a clause that he's accepting this money as a backup QB, but if the time ever comes where he's not just holding a clipboard on Sundays, he's going to get paid starters money.
Daniel's a $3 million cap hit next season if he's cut with a $3.4 million cap hit if he isn't. So the Chiefs would save a little bit if they cut him, but not enough to making cutting him for the sake of $$ worth doing.

But if you can save a little bit and clear a roster spot for another developmental QB, his contract doesn't make it prohibitive to do so.
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Old 11-20-2013, 08:50 PM   #47
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Alex Smith's contract is up after the 2014 season, Sac. What if he wants more money than we're willing to pay? What's your answer? What do we do?
Draft Chuckie Keeton.
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Old 11-20-2013, 09:03 PM   #48
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Will Chuckie Keaton come out? He's a junior and he blew out his knee this year.
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Old 11-20-2013, 09:04 PM   #49
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I love that Baylor offense and everything but I don't know about Petty. His play and stats seem to take a slight dip whenever the competition increases. I know... shocking... but I just don't trust him. So many playmakers on that offense. Hell, even Nick Florence hit his stride late last year... and he wasn't a very good QB (that beat out Petty).

Manziel, Bridgewater, and Mariota will likely be gone. Hundley should stay in school and I expect him to. Im not huge on Boyd. I kind of like Murray, but he may be limited. I kind of like Mettenberger, but he's a bit of a project like Bray. But I wouldn't complain about drafting any QB unless it's Logan Thomas. Would love to see Alex, Bray, Rookie going into 2014.
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Old 11-20-2013, 09:04 PM   #50
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Will Chuckie Keaton come out? He's a junior and he blew out his knee this year.
Watch his game against USC. He'd be a 6th-7th rounder.
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Old 11-20-2013, 09:06 PM   #51
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I refuse to evaluate draft prospects until after the Chiefs are done. I spent too much time doing so the last few years. I just want to enjoy the experience of the Chiefs winning season right now. And Bask in its glow.
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Old 11-20-2013, 09:09 PM   #52
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So you believe that there will not be a single starting caliber QB from the 2014 draft?

Because Daniel isn't one. So if there's nobody from this draft that's good enough to beat out Daniel, you're saying that there's nobody from this draft that is going to be good enough to start for a credible NFL football team.

Yeah, I'll take that bet. I've not followed the position nearly as closely as last years, but there's no doubt in my mind that there's a starter in this draft. There's a starter in every draft.

Even if there isn't a Luck, there's a Glennon or Foles. There's a guy that will succeed in the right spot and there's no reason that spot can't be here.

If Bray has shown anything this year, I'd cut Daniel and let those two fight for the #2 job. If he hasn't, I'd cut Bray and replace him. You should know after having a guy in the system for a year if he's good enough to bother trying to develop.

The Chiefs should absolutely explore the possibility of adding a QB in this draft.
I liked Foles coming out. In fact, I seem to remember taking shit about stating that I thought he was a better prospect than Tannehill.

And who says Daniel isn't Russ Wilson? He wasn't beating out Brees and he isn't going to beat out Smith, but given the chance...who knows. We certainly don't, and I'm not sure that simply drafting another guy because we don't think he's good enough is complete justification for drafting another dude just to draft another dude because another dude is just going to be another dude.

And I think Bray, with proper coaching, has a lot of potential.

I'm really not too concerned with the Chiefs QB situation right now.

Like I said, if the coaching staff thinks that they can better it down the road because Bray isn't advancing in two seasons or so, that's fine. But right now, in the 2014 draft, by picking another QB, you are just picking a guy who's never going to get a shot at being anything other than the fourth guy on the depth chart at that position. That's just what it is at this point.

I think that most of you would be more concerned with fixing the obvious problems, which are WR and OG, both of which could be high level guys, or potentially high level guys, where the Chiefs will most likely pick.

A Gabe Jackson or Odell Beckham would do a lot more for this team than a guy who doesn't stand much of a chance in beating out Bray, let alone Daniel and Smith for a roster spot.

Like I said, I'm not really thrilled with this QB class. It seems like a whole bunch of average. It's not like there is a Joe Montana or Tom Brady here - who, despite their lower round selections, kicked the shit out of people in college. You aren't seeing that with any of these guys outside of Manziel and a little in Bridgewater, but everytime I watch Teddy, nothing stands out. He's good, but he's not positional epiphany level stuff.
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Old 11-20-2013, 09:13 PM   #53
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Will Chuckie Keaton come out? He's a junior and he blew out his knee this year.
I'm assuming that he comes back for his senior season, if he comes back at all. Pretty nasty damage to the knee. Really a shame as he was a very dynamic player who really had a drive and determination about him.

Reminded me a lot of Kaepernick at the same level, though Colin was obviously a bigger guy.

Someone who would offer a different type of QB style than what Bray does. More Smith than Bray, but has a little gunslinger to him as well.

I like the guy as a player and a leader on the field.
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Old 11-20-2013, 09:58 PM   #54
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There will be some good guards available, but I'm going to renew my opposition to first round guards - sorry to disappoint.

As for WRs, that's where I'd like to see the pick go, but I don't like what I'm seeing in the mocks so far. The WRs that look to hit the 20s all sound a lot like Bowe to me. The others are guys that are probably reaches that high.
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Old 11-21-2013, 02:39 PM   #56
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My guess is the system. There has never been a Big 12 QB who had a good NFL career. It doesn't mean there never will be, but there is a huge track record of guys who put up gaudy numbers in college and suck in the NFL.
True, but what SEC quarterbacks have done anything since Peyton was drafted 15 years ago? Cutler is alright I suppose with an 84 career rating as does Stafford which is about league average. Eli has an 81 career rating.

I like Cam Newton a lot so far. Anybody I'm missing?
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I liked Foles coming out. In fact, I seem to remember taking shit about stating that I thought he was a better prospect than Tannehill.

And who says Daniel isn't Russ Wilson? He wasn't beating out Brees and he isn't going to beat out Smith, but given the chance...who knows. We certainly don't, and I'm not sure that simply drafting another guy because we don't think he's good enough is complete justification for drafting another dude just to draft another dude because another dude is just going to be another dude.

And I think Bray, with proper coaching, has a lot of potential.

I'm really not too concerned with the Chiefs QB situation right now.

Like I said, if the coaching staff thinks that they can better it down the road because Bray isn't advancing in two seasons or so, that's fine. But right now, in the 2014 draft, by picking another QB, you are just picking a guy who's never going to get a shot at being anything other than the fourth guy on the depth chart at that position. That's just what it is at this point.

I think that most of you would be more concerned with fixing the obvious problems, which are WR and OG, both of which could be high level guys, or potentially high level guys, where the Chiefs will most likely pick.

A Gabe Jackson or Odell Beckham would do a lot more for this team than a guy who doesn't stand much of a chance in beating out Bray, let alone Daniel and Smith for a roster spot.

Like I said, I'm not really thrilled with this QB class. It seems like a whole bunch of average. It's not like there is a Joe Montana or Tom Brady here - who, despite their lower round selections, kicked the shit out of people in college. You aren't seeing that with any of these guys outside of Manziel and a little in Bridgewater, but everytime I watch Teddy, nothing stands out. He's good, but he's not positional epiphany level stuff.
Watch Russell Wilson play some Badger games.

Then watch Daniel play some Tiger games.

There's a difference, dude. A HUUUUUUGE difference.
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True, but what SEC quarterbacks have done anything since Peyton was drafted 15 years ago? Cutler is alright I suppose with an 84 career rating as does Stafford which is about league average. Eli has an 81 career rating.

I like Cam Newton a lot so far. Anybody I'm missing?
I'd say Manning, Manning, Cutler, Newton and Stafford is a pretty damn good roster, to be honest.

Hell, even the SEC busts have been pretty decent - see Campbell, Jason

Though really, NC State has the best claim to QB U right now - Rivers, Glennon and Wilson (where he played most of his career).
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Watch Russell Wilson play some Badger games.

Then watch Daniel play some Tiger games.

There's a difference, dude. A HUUUUUUGE difference.
A little hyperbole on my part to be sure, but Daniel was a very good college quarterback who has obviously stuck around the NFL as the #2 guy for a reason. Not too mention that he's been second fiddle to two guys in Brees and Smith who are noted for their work ethic and cerebral understanding of the game as well as two noted QB "gurus" in Peyton and Reid. While he's not "ideal" in the sense of prototypical physical qualities, he's got a lot under his belt in terms of intangibles, coaching and mentoring. Kind of like Wilson but better in those parameters.

And if it wasn't for Crazy Pete, Russell Wilson would still be on the bench of every other team in the league.

It's going to be very, very hard for anybody to beat out Smith as well as Daniel for the #1 and #2 spots on this roster unless it's a guy who has those physical attributes with the mental potential to play in the Reid/Ault/Childress/Peterson west coast/read option system. And they were able to get the guy with the physical aspects in Bray. Like I said, there isn't a guy in the 2014 draft with the physical traits/skill set of Bray. And there isn't a guy with the experience of either Smith or Daniel.

Just my two cents, but when you consider all aspects, using a draft pick on a QB in 2014 isn't going to net you much if anything beyond what we have and I don't think that there is anyone who is going to give you even a ceiling to what we currently have on the roster.

2014 should be about shoring up the few obvious holes that remain on the starting lineup/roster. Where we pick, we would be able to address either the WR or OG spot with a high level prospect.

Gabe Jackson has perennial All-Pro written all over him and I really like Odell Beckham, especially for this offense, i.e., precise route running, great hands, run after the catch capabilities, etc.
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