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Old 11-27-2013, 10:04 AM  
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Question.

I had a very interesting discussion last night based off what the Pope said in his new paper, and I want to pose a hypothetical:

If you could end poverty in America right now for every single person in our country, with the push of a button, by capping the most a person could make at $100 million, would you do it?

I haven't done the math on that, but assume for the sake of the exercise that the math would work.

Also for the purposes of this exercise, assume this is feasible to accomplish. It's a magic button. I know the popular rebuttal will be "if we did that, billionaires would go elsewhere" -- however ask yourself if would you push the button if you were guaranteed that they wouldn't?

Why, or why not?
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Old 11-29-2013, 09:47 AM   #196
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Old 11-29-2013, 10:18 AM   #197
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BTW- our standard of living 60 years ago was so good, 1 man could feed, clothe, house & otherwise maintain his fam quite comfortably without his wife earning income -- she was at home running daily family related activities.

this was true at ALL income levels, not just college grad white exec levels.
Depends. If you were African-American not so much. If you were in the South, again not so much. If you lived on a farm it was a whole family working one farm.

Also, there wasn't much competition to American goods because WWII destroyed or heavily damaged every other major industrialized nation. No competition from Germany, Italy, Britain, France, and Japan. South Korea was still mostly an agrarian economy. China hadn't industrialized yet.

Unless you want another world war that destroys the infrastructure of whole countries, then that will probably never happen again.
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Old 11-30-2013, 09:41 AM   #198
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It's amazing that, despite all those statistics showing how bad the U.S. is, the world's poor prefer entering the U.S. illegally over any other country. What do they know that the great minds who produced these statistics don't?
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Old 11-30-2013, 10:08 AM   #199
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Ace Gunner "BTW- our standard of living 60 years ago was so good, 1 man could feed, clothe, house & otherwise maintain his fam quite comfortably without his wife earning income -- she was at home running daily family related activities. this was true at ALL income levels, not just college grad white exec levels."

BTW- 60 years ago the Tax Code Compliance Industry, the Litigation Industry, and Big Bureaucracy were not as powerful and not as ruthless in making America's working families and small business owners less competitive in world markets. Also, 60 years ago America's working families and small business owners were not forced to provide entitlements for an endless stream of the world's poor entering our country illegally.

I suggest that we, as a nation, fix the problems that we, as a nation, have created for working families and small business owners before blaming others.
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Old 11-30-2013, 10:20 AM   #200
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Probably already said several pages back....

But - you put in a program that "elevates the poor".....soon, that population that needs to be "elevated" grows immensely.

This country use to be a country full of people who were ashamed of a handout.

Now, I realize there's more to it, and it's not a simple black and white issue (and yes, SOME people have had bad luck)....but if you remove the motivation to work hard and succeed on your own - you'll have a sh*t-ton of people in line waiting to be "elevated".

And to add to this......I work in a place that is very uniform about how it pays salaries and increases. As long as you're not a total screw up, you get the standard (small) increase in salary for the next year. Eventually, that model starts to take it's toll on morale, as the individuals who have a conscience, and do go "above and beyond" start to get pissed (as there's no real reward for it, as the "do the bare minimum" people get the same increase).

Neither scenario I described above breeds a winning/competitive culture that can rise above competitors.
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