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Old 11-29-2013, 09:58 AM  
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I have avoided posting here because it has become so partisan. Usually if I do post here it is to comment on a non-partisan issue like gerrymandering, the filibuster, the electoral college etc. I will break that rule now.

Many of you know from when I was posting more often here that I am a Democrat. It is with great difficulty that I call for President Obama to resign. The government has simply gotten out of control. He has lost his ability to govern. Nothing will or can be done while Obama is President except perhaps in the area of foreign policy. Good or bad he has become a lighting rod. There is an impossible standard of having to overcome a 60% limit to pass anything in the Senate. There is also the standard in the House of needing to have a majority of Republicans behind a measure before it will come to a vote. One could argue that past Speakers, including Democrats, have set the same standard. They all allowed exceptions, Boehner does not.
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Old 12-01-2013, 03:59 PM   #166
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Some insight into ObamaCare taxes

http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-taxes.php
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Old 12-01-2013, 04:01 PM   #167
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And, let me see, thanks to their politics of obstructionism, they prevented it?


My answer would be not fully and it slowed what the regime wants to get done to a certain extent.
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Old 12-01-2013, 04:03 PM   #168
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So, what has the GOP incorporated into their agenda that began with Obama?
Off the top of my head, none.

What has the DNC incorporated into their agenda that began with Republicans?
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Old 12-01-2013, 04:04 PM   #169
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And, let me see, thanks to their politics of obstructionism, they prevented it?
I would say that we might be further along the socialist path had the House not turned, yes.
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Old 12-01-2013, 04:13 PM   #170
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I would say that we might be further along the socialist path had the House not turned, yes.

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Old 12-01-2013, 04:40 PM   #171
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Off the top of my head, none.

What has the DNC incorporated into their agenda that began with Republicans?
Most notably, Obamacare (a Heritage Foundation proposal that was enacted by Mitt Romney).
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Old 12-01-2013, 04:41 PM   #172
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My answer would be not fully and it slowed what the regime wants to get done to a certain extent.
Would you like the GOP to be more obstructionist?
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Old 12-01-2013, 05:03 PM   #173
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Would you like the GOP to be more obstructionist?


You want the GOP to have everything the Democrats want to pass? Thats why we have two political parties do you disagree?
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Old 12-01-2013, 05:04 PM   #174
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Most notably, Obamacare (a Heritage Foundation proposal that was enacted by Mitt Romney).
Really? That's it?

Remind me: how many Republicans voted for Obamacare?
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Old 12-01-2013, 05:04 PM   #175
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Old 12-01-2013, 05:31 PM   #176
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You want the GOP to have everything the Democrats want to pass? Thats why we have two political parties do you disagree?
I think you're asking me, do I want the GOP to pass everything the Democrats want. My answer: no. Also, I'm more than happy when Democrats pass things the GOP wants.
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Really? That's it?

Remind me: how many Republicans voted for Obamacare?
No, the biggest piece of legislation is not it. There's also the extension of Bush-tax cuts that the GOP wanted and received.

Would love to see those things the GOP was okay with.
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Old 12-01-2013, 05:38 PM   #178
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No, the biggest piece of legislation is not it. There's also the extension of Bush-tax cuts that the GOP wanted and received.

Would love to see those things the GOP was okay with.
I would hardly call Obama and the Democrat's extension of the tax cuts in 2010 "incorporating lower taxes into their agenda." The Democrats accepted it because of the economy was still pretty shaky and it wasn't politically-viable to let them expire. It was a tactical political decision.
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Most notably, Obamacare (a Heritage Foundation proposal that was enacted by Mitt Romney).
Yeah, and earlier the GOP presented it as a counter plan to Hillarycare but both did not pass.
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Would love to see those things the GOP was okay with.
Going after bin Laden? Does that make you happy?
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