Home Mail MemberMap Chat (0) Wallpapers
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > The Ed & Dave Lounge > D.C.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-18-2013, 02:43 AM  
listopencil listopencil is online now
sic semper tyrannis
 
listopencil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: In Partibus Infidelium
Casino cash: $7435
The Year Of Disappointing The Liberal Base: Obama, 2013

The Year Of Disappointing The Liberal Base: Obama, 2013
by Liz Halloran



President Obama talks about drones and national security earlier this year at the National Defense University in Washington.


Carolyn Kaster/AP

It's been a long, disappointing year for many of President Obama's most ardent supporters.

From drones and Syria to immigration and the Keystone XL pipeline, the list of issues on which the president has induced frustration and disillusionment is not a short one.

And fallout from that restive base is reflected in Obama's dismal year-end poll numbers.

His approval rating has sunk to a low point, trust in his ability to do the job has eroded, and, as a new Washington Post poll found, he has lost ground among "key members of his winning electoral coalition" — women, liberals and younger voters.

Granted, persuasive arguments can be made that the president faced nearly insurmountable odds in attempting to get his agenda passed in a cantankerous and deeply divided Congress. And for every infuriated supporter, there are many more on the conservative side with much bigger, louder gripes about the commander in chief.

Contributing mightily to the president's present poll predicament is the botched rollout of his signature health care law — that's a given. But let's take a year-end look at other ways the president has provoked his loyalists.


Drones
Pressured by his base to come clean on the use of drones for so-called targeted killing overseas, President Obama during a May speech at the National Defense University defended his administration's "heavily constrained" use of the remote aircraft to kill suspected terrorists. He acknowledged that their use "raises profound questions," including the extent of civilian casualties. At the time, Obama said he'd declassify information on a strike that killed an American citizen, al-Qaida leader Anwar al-Awlaki.

But his follow-up has been less than stellar, according to a recent assessment by the online investigative site ProPublica. Among its findings: The administration has not provided promised transparency about drone-related civilian deaths; it has not defined who can be targeted; and it has not provided a "precise legal rationale" for the strikes.

Here's what liberal Washington Post columnist Eugene Robinson wrote this month: "I believe historians will look at Obama's second term and see the implementation of the Affordable Care Act, despite its rocky launch, as a great moral triumph. I fear they will see the drone war as a great moral failure."


Spying
The administration was knocked on its heels when National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden revealed this year the reach and depth of the government's blanket electronic surveillance of American citizens. That was followed by revelations that the NSA was also snooping in electronically on dozens of foreign leaders, including German Chancellor Angela Merkel. The New York Times argued that Obama lost credibility on the issue, and the U.S. technology industry has been furiously working on ways to prevent the government from mining its users' data.

Obama's assertion that he was unaware that the NSA was spying on Merkel and other allies may be true, but didn't reassure his base. By November, writing on the liberal Daily Kos website, Laurence Lewis wrote that to reclaim credibility on the NSA/spying scandal, Obama should fire NSA director Gen. Keith Alexander and National Intelligence Director James Clapper. Wrote Lewis: "Failure to do so will continue to call into question what the president and the White House truly intend, and of even more critical importance, who is really in charge."

This week, a U.S. court weighed in with a decision that excoriated the NSA's collection of Americans' phone calls as "almost Orwellian," and an infringement on Fourth Amendment protections from unreasonable searches and seizures.


Syria
Liberals were initially divided on Obama's plan to intervene in civil-war-torn Syria, but they all wanted more answers. The Congressional Progressive Caucus sent the president a list of 67 questions they wanted him to answer, from defining how Syria's use of chemical weapons threatened U.S. national security to the role of the United Nations Security Council in authorizing force. Obama's announced intent to seek congressional authorization for airstrikes inflamed liberals like Noam Shreiber ("Obama has resorted to non-Syria arguments for intervening in Syria because he can't justify an intervention on its own terms") to Michael Cohen ("If anything, the fact that Obama was forced to rely on contradictory and deceptive arguments to sell the American people on the idea of military intervention in Syria did more to undermine the case for intervention than reinforce it.")

The backlash led to a presidential step-back. He ultimately announced he'd pursue a diplomatic solution — one that analysts largely agree is now in shambles.


Keystone XL Pipeline
Environmentalists argue that building the 1,200-mile pipeline from Alberta, Canada, to Nebraska and on to the Gulf Coast, where oil would be refined, would hobble efforts to battle climate change. The pipeline would carry tar sands oil, and the leaders of 350.org, a global group that works on climate change issues, has pressed Obama to rule against the pipeline project. They argue that it promotes dirty energy and would ultimately lead to climate-damaging emissions.

Obama has yet to determine whether he'll grant a federal permit for the $7 billion pipeline project. In a June speech on climate change, here's what she said:
"Now, I know there's been, for example, a lot of controversy surrounding the proposal to build a pipeline, the Keystone pipeline, that would carry oil from Canadian tar sands down to refineries in the Gulf. And the State Department is going through the final stages of evaluating the proposal. That's how it's always been done. But I do want to be clear: Allowing the Keystone pipeline to be built requires a finding that doing so would be in our nation's interest. And our national interest will be served only if this project does not significantly exacerbate the problem of carbon pollution. The net effects of the pipeline's impact on our climate will be absolutely critical to determining whether this project is allowed to go forward. It's relevant."

Here's a prediction from Carol Browner, Obama's former chief climate change adviser, in a recent interview with the Los Angeles Times: "I think at the end of the day he will say no, but there will be some twists and turns before we get there."


Going Nowhere Agenda
Finally, a quick rundown on key legislative initiatives supported by his liberal base that the president has failed to advance in 2013, victims largely of political reality and diminished White House capital: gun control, immigration reform and a bump in the minimum wage.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolit...ase-obama-2013
Posts: 28,396
listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2013, 11:49 AM   #31
Fairplay Fairplay is online now
MVP
 
Fairplay's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: state of mind
Casino cash: $6883
Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmo20002 View Post
If I recall, direckshun has complained many times about the "wars and stuff," particularly drone use. I remember because I put it my weekly report back to HQ. I told my superiors to go easy on him as far as re-education because he's supportive on other things.


Keep him in line cosmo, lockstep
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by KC native View Post
I said I'm an expert dickrider.
Posts: 17,776
Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fairplay is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2013, 11:58 AM   #32
cosmo20002 cosmo20002 is offline
Debunking your bullshit
 
cosmo20002's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: KC area
Casino cash: $9088
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cochise View Post
If you continue to support him and the pols who vote behind him in perpetutity, what difference does some mealy-mouthed "shucks, I'm not too sure about that policy" make?

The way his base does not respond to his authoritarian bent is the reason why he feels emboldened to act on it.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris616 View Post
As long as Jesus Christ was the president of the US and approved of it Yes.
Posts: 18,409
cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2013, 12:08 PM   #33
cosmo20002 cosmo20002 is offline
Debunking your bullshit
 
cosmo20002's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: KC area
Casino cash: $9088
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fairplay View Post
We don't mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back."- Obama
Context: Rs drove us into the ditch. They don't get to keep driving.
Obama said Republicans had driven the economy into a ditch and then stood by and criticized while Democrats pulled it out. Now that progress has been made, he said, “we can’t have special interests sitting shotgun. We gotta have middle class families up in front. We don’t mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back.”
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris616 View Post
As long as Jesus Christ was the president of the US and approved of it Yes.
Posts: 18,409
cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2013, 12:11 PM   #34
patteeu patteeu is offline
The 23rd Pillar
 
patteeu's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2002
Casino cash: $5000
Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmo20002 View Post
Context: Rs drove us into the ditch. They don't get to keep driving.
Obama said Republicans had driven the economy into a ditch and then stood by and criticized while Democrats pulled it out. Now that progress has been made, he said, “we can’t have special interests sitting shotgun. We gotta have middle class families up in front. We don’t mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back.”
That doesn't make it sound any better.
__________________


"I'll see you guys in New York." ISIS Caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi to US military personnel upon his release from US custody at Camp Bucca in Iraq during Obama's first year in office.
Posts: 75,744
patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2013, 12:16 PM   #35
listopencil listopencil is online now
sic semper tyrannis
 
listopencil's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: In Partibus Infidelium
Casino cash: $7435
Quote:
Originally Posted by Direckshun View Post
I hope you can assume I know my fair share of liberals.

Of those you listed, only two are actually serious disappointments liberals have with the President. Drones and the NSA stuff have been extremely depressing to liberals like myself, as I've made extremely clear across this forum over the years.

As for Syria, well I don't think that cited much liberal frustration at all, especially since all the President was proposing there was Libya Lite, he wasn't proposing a ground invasion like certain Presidents this century that will go unnamed. Liberals were roughly against it much like the rest of the country seemed to be (I was in support of it, personally), but the temperature wasn't high, in my estimation. There was an understanding amongst all of us that there were no good options in Syria for the US to take -- except the one the President ended up taking, which was getting Russia to disarm Assad for us.

The Keystone Pipeline thing is a bit of a WTF inclusion, here... The Pipeline hasn't been approved, and the only listed prediction was that it won't be. So... what's the problem? That the Obama administration is researching it?

And we both know why Congress has stalled. Trust me, the fact that the GOP has taken its ball and gone home, refusing to govern in tandem with a Democratic President, has not escaped the left.

There have been legit disappointments with this President, two of which have been highlighted in the OP. But beyond that, this listicle doesn't really have its pulse on modern liberalism, or where it stands with this President.
I would agree that the pipeline was a WTF?-ish throw in. Her comments regarding Syria were a bit weak as well. There was more weight in her Going Nowhere Agenda than perhaps both of those categories. I'd like to see more attention paid to the differences between "liberal", "progressive" and "partisan" and how people who fit into those groups see the President.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cochise
The way his base does not respond to his authoritarian bent is the reason why he feels emboldened to act on it.
This is spot on.
__________________
"As I walked out the door toward the gate that would lead to my freedom, I knew if I didn't leave my bitterness and hatred behind I'd still be in prison."


Posts: 28,396
listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2013, 12:23 PM   #36
cosmo20002 cosmo20002 is offline
Debunking your bullshit
 
cosmo20002's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: KC area
Casino cash: $9088
Quote:
Originally Posted by patteeu View Post
That doesn't make it sound any better.
Doing the "I'm confused" bit again?

Of course it does. You drove us into the ditch, so you don't get to drive anymore. Get in the back.

So controversial and outrageous!
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris616 View Post
As long as Jesus Christ was the president of the US and approved of it Yes.
Posts: 18,409
cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2013, 12:40 PM   #37
fan4ever fan4ever is offline
Veteran
 
fan4ever's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Casino cash: $5750
Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmo20002 View Post
Doing the "I'm confused" bit again?

Of course it does. You drove us into the ditch, so you don't get to drive anymore. Get in the back.

So controversial and outrageous!
Take the remark and reverse the parties "...the dems can join us, but they have to sit in the back" . . . that wouldn't create a hailstorm of criticism?
__________________
“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.” - Mark Twain
Posts: 4,183
fan4ever Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.fan4ever Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.fan4ever Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.fan4ever Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.fan4ever Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.fan4ever Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.fan4ever Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.fan4ever Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.fan4ever Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.fan4ever Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.fan4ever Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2013, 12:46 PM   #38
patteeu patteeu is offline
The 23rd Pillar
 
patteeu's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2002
Casino cash: $5000
Quote:
Originally Posted by fan4ever View Post
Take the remark and reverse the parties "...the dems can join us, but they have to sit in the back" . . . that wouldn't create a hailstorm of criticism?
The Speaker of the House gives a speech about fixing the healthcare system after Obama drove it into the ditch with Obamacare and he says that President Obama can join us but he'll have to sit in the back.

Obama's phalanx: That's racist!
__________________


"I'll see you guys in New York." ISIS Caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi to US military personnel upon his release from US custody at Camp Bucca in Iraq during Obama's first year in office.
Posts: 75,744
patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2013, 12:52 PM   #39
cosmo20002 cosmo20002 is offline
Debunking your bullshit
 
cosmo20002's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: KC area
Casino cash: $9088
Quote:
Originally Posted by fan4ever View Post
Take the remark and reverse the parties "...the dems can join us, but they have to sit in the back" . . . that wouldn't create a hailstorm of criticism?
In presented in the context of the metaphor of driving a car/the economy into a ditch? No, I don't think it would.

Of course, being that Rs are more likely to express animosity to minorities, it might get a little extra scrutiny.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris616 View Post
As long as Jesus Christ was the president of the US and approved of it Yes.
Posts: 18,409
cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2013, 12:54 PM   #40
cosmo20002 cosmo20002 is offline
Debunking your bullshit
 
cosmo20002's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: KC area
Casino cash: $9088
Quote:
Originally Posted by patteeu View Post
The Speaker of the House gives a speech about fixing the healthcare system after Obama drove it into the ditch with Obamacare and he says that President Obama can join us but he'll have to sit in the back.

Obama's phalanx: That's racist!
Telling an individual black man to go "sit in the back" probably wouldn't be a good idea, but I would be interested in hearing him say that.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris616 View Post
As long as Jesus Christ was the president of the US and approved of it Yes.
Posts: 18,409
cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2013, 12:57 PM   #41
patteeu patteeu is offline
The 23rd Pillar
 
patteeu's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2002
Casino cash: $5000
Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmo20002 View Post
Telling an individual black man to go "sit in the back" probably wouldn't be a good idea, but I would be interested in hearing him say that.
In other words, it's offensive for thee but not for me.
__________________


"I'll see you guys in New York." ISIS Caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi to US military personnel upon his release from US custody at Camp Bucca in Iraq during Obama's first year in office.
Posts: 75,744
patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2013, 01:08 PM   #42
FishingRod FishingRod is online now
Veteran
 

Join Date: Mar 2006
Casino cash: $5907
I have many Liberal Friends, a small few care about the Drones and stomping over our right to privacy but most do not. I know none of them that care about the other things. They did care a great deal about the Patriot act and the like when Bush was POTUS. To be fair most of the Conservatives didn’t have nearly the concerns over Uncle Sam in our Business when their guy was in charge but don’t like it so well now. This is in MHO a large portion of what is wrong with the two parties. We don’t demand as much from our guys as we pretend to demand from the other side. We are hypocrites.
Posts: 3,232
FishingRod Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.FishingRod Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.FishingRod Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.FishingRod Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.FishingRod Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.FishingRod Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.FishingRod Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.FishingRod Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.FishingRod Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.FishingRod Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.FishingRod Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2013, 01:29 PM   #43
ActiveShooter ActiveShooter is offline
Dems R Dumb
 
ActiveShooter's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Socialist California
Casino cash: $5455
Quote:
Originally Posted by Direckshun View Post
If you guys spent less time shaking each other's dicks, and more time engaging actual liberals that surround you on this forum and are willing to have a conversation with you, you'd have a better understanding of what they are actually arguing and actually saying.
Liberals are Roaches and I couldn't give a crap what a Roach thinks. I just want to smash them.
__________________
"Not reading the books doesn't mean I can't discuss them" - KC Native 3/14/14
”Marriage has historic, religious and moral content that goes back to the beginning of time, and I think a marriage is as a marriage has always been, between a man and a woman.”- Hillary Clinton 2000
.
Posts: 378
ActiveShooter must have mowed badgirl's lawn.ActiveShooter must have mowed badgirl's lawn.ActiveShooter must have mowed badgirl's lawn.ActiveShooter must have mowed badgirl's lawn.ActiveShooter must have mowed badgirl's lawn.ActiveShooter must have mowed badgirl's lawn.ActiveShooter must have mowed badgirl's lawn.ActiveShooter must have mowed badgirl's lawn.ActiveShooter must have mowed badgirl's lawn.ActiveShooter must have mowed badgirl's lawn.ActiveShooter must have mowed badgirl's lawn.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2013, 01:33 PM   #44
cosmo20002 cosmo20002 is offline
Debunking your bullshit
 
cosmo20002's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: KC area
Casino cash: $9088
Quote:
Originally Posted by patteeu View Post
In other words, it's offensive for thee but not for me.
Individual black guy vs. an entire political party

There's a difference. Context does apply to thee.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris616 View Post
As long as Jesus Christ was the president of the US and approved of it Yes.
Posts: 18,409
cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2013, 01:33 PM   #45
fan4ever fan4ever is offline
Veteran
 
fan4ever's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Casino cash: $5750
Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmo20002 View Post
In presented in the context of the metaphor of driving a car/the economy into a ditch? No, I don't think it would.

Of course, being that Rs are more likely to express animosity to minorities, it might get a little extra scrutiny.
I would venture to say anytime a Republican says anything that can remotely be made to sound racist or anti-minority the media takes it and runs with it but not when a Democrat does it.
__________________
“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.” - Mark Twain
Posts: 4,183
fan4ever Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.fan4ever Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.fan4ever Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.fan4ever Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.fan4ever Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.fan4ever Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.fan4ever Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.fan4ever Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.fan4ever Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.fan4ever Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.fan4ever Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.
  Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:25 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.