Chiefs Would you resign Alex Smith to Matt Cassel like money right now, today? - Page 3

ThaVirus · 01-06-2014, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

And besides. If you address some of the offensive needs, chief among them to me, play making tight end, that helps two things, takes the safety help on bowe, and pretty much prevents 8 men in the box to stop Jamal/Knile.

Unless we can get some type of athletic freak, speedster TE like Vernon Davis, having a playmaking TE will only do more to bring more guys into the box.

l4z4rd · 01-06-2014, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dj56dt58

Lucks legend was chucking it to a wide open TY Hilton. We need a TY Hilton and Alex can really take off..The problem is can we do that and fix the Defense. We can't score 44 in a playoff game and lose

Agreed. On almost every single Hilton reception, there was no Chief within 5 yds of him.

**Dave Lane** · 01-06-2014, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

IMO Alex played like a FRANCHISE QB coming down the stretch, and that playoff game was the stuff of legend. Unfortunately, Luck's legend was considerably bigger that day. We have our guy. Now pay the man.

Sorry no chance a franchise QB. He definitely played better than Cassel and at times looked as good as Green. He''s still very run of the mill. Maybe 20-15 range, which is a 10 point improvement from where I thought. Cassel looked almost as good in 2010. I like Discuss''s option of tag him till the wheels fall off.

**BigMeatballDave** · 01-06-2014, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Sorry no chance a franchise QB. He definitely played better than Cassel and at times looked as good as Green. He''s still very run of the mill. Maybe 20-15 range, which is a 10 point improvement from where I thought. Cassel looked almost as good in 2010. I like Discuss''s option of tag him till the wheels fall off.

Run of the mill?

No, he's not elite, but he's pretty good.

Nhelen79 · 01-06-2014, 03:15 PM

I remember there was a newspaper talking about how smart he is with his finance and investment back when he was with SF. He does not spend much for himself. Instead, the guy uses a lot of $$ in running his own charity for foster children in San Diego area. He attended a community event searching for a missing girl in Morgan Hills, CA unannounced with lot of foods/water to distribute to people who attending. He also did the search himself. Given his personality and character, $$ wont' be his first priority in considering signing a long-term contract. I think he would accept a friendly deal if he see the potential benefits of that deal for his career long-term. However, if the deal is too cheap, he would not accept it. He has a brain.

cosmo20002 · 01-06-2014, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Just like it says. Would you give Alex a 5-6 year deal for somewhere between $50-$65 million to keep him as our franchise QB right now, today?

As hard as this place has been on him, I'm curious where we're at after watching him progress through the season, and play IMO, his best game ever last Saturday.

Need more info such as guaranteed $. I'm not sure that the length of these contracts ever mean anything since you can always cut the guy. 5 years for $50M is probably a decent deal for a solid starting QB these days though.

Jakemall · 01-06-2014, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002

Need more info such as guaranteed $. I'm not sure that the length of these contracts ever mean anything since you can always cut the guy. 5 years for $50M is probably a decent deal for a solid starting QB these days though.

5 years 50 is is 10 mil a year...basically what he's already making.

cosmo20002 · 01-06-2014, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakemall

5 years 50 is is 10 mil a year...basically what he's already making.

Well, there you go. 5 years at $50 probably isn't even an option for the Chiefs. He didn't do anything this year to diminish his value, that's for sure.
I'm no expert on how these things wok against the cap, but I know the years don't actually mean much and these guys can be cut basically anytime. But at 29 years old, 5 years for a QB isn't that long. He could still be good at 34.

Basically, he's not a superstar and people will be against re-signing for that reason. But you gotta play someone until you find the superstar.

cosmo20002 · 01-06-2014, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakemall

5 years 50 is is 10 mil a year...basically what he's already making.

Yeah, I didn't realize that when I posted that. In that case, 5 years at $50M isn't even an option. He didn't do anything this year to diminish his value, that's for sure.

I'm no expert on how these things work against the cap, but I know the years don't actually mean much and these guys can be cut basically anytime. But at 29 years old, 5 years for a QB isn't that long. He could still be good at 33.

Basically, he's not a superstar and people will be against re-signing for that reason. But you gotta play someone until you find the superstar.

mcaj22 · 01-06-2014, 11:55 AM

the problem is Jay Cutler got 100 million, Tony Romo got 100 million, Joe Flacco got a 100 million

and these guys ****ing suck. Alex Smith can say, yo I'm better than these guys on paper.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 01-06-2014, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

the problem is Jay Cutler got 100 million, Tony Romo got 100 million, Joe Flacco got a 100 million

and these guys ****ing suck. Alex Smith can say, yo I'm better than these guys on paper.

100% This and if Alex Smith Agent takes a 5y 50m deal he wont be a agent for many players.

**Bearcat** · 01-06-2014, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

the problem is Jay Cutler got 100 million, Tony Romo got 100 million, Joe Flacco got a 100 million

and these guys ****ing suck. Alex Smith can say, yo I'm better than these guys on paper.

As far as Romo and Cutler, watching other teams make that kind of mistake doesn't mean the Chiefs should do the same. If Smith actually wins something, then sure, lock him up and write a blank check.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 01-06-2014, 11:56 AM

Do you put Alex Smith in the Jay Cutler league? I do and that deal is gonna **** us.

mcaj22 · 01-06-2014, 11:57 AM

yea if you like Alex Smith you can't sit here and try and lowball his contract, that's like de-complimenting him. There is no scenario I see trying to get him cheap. What is your argument to him?

Yo we dont think you are as good as Jay Cutler, so here's 60 million?

Alex would say **** off.

**BossChief** · 01-06-2014, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

yea if you like Alex Smith you can't sit here and try and lowball his contract, that's like de-complimenting him. There is no scenario I see trying to get him cheap. What is your argument to him?

Yo we dont think you are as good as Jay Cutler, so here's 60 million?

Alex would say **** off.

I don't think Alex Smith looks at the financial part of this deal the same as other quarterbacks.

The guy gives a shitton of his money to charity, signed a team friendly deal to stay the starter in SF after taking his team to the NFC championship game, has actually given money back to the team in restructures and is a PURE team first guy.

While I don't think he would sign for 10/yr...I do think he would sign for something around 12-14.

He knows there aren't many places he can go that has the opportunity to start as well as a coaching staff that would use him the way Andy will.

The guy made a sick amount of money already and seems to want to win at this point of his career...he will be 30 in may.

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01-06-2014, 03:15 PM	#5
Nhelen79 Rookie Join Date: Jan 2014 Casino cash: $10004905	I remember there was a newspaper talking about how smart he is with his finance and investment back when he was with SF. He does not spend much for himself. Instead, the guy uses a lot of $$ in running his own charity for foster children in San Diego area. He attended a community event searching for a missing girl in Morgan Hills, CA unannounced with lot of foods/water to distribute to people who attending. He also did the search himself. Given his personality and character, $$ wont' be his first priority in considering signing a long-term contract. I think he would accept a friendly deal if he see the potential benefits of that deal for his career long-term. However, if the deal is too cheap, he would not accept it. He has a brain.
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01-06-2014, 11:55 AM	#10
mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	the problem is Jay Cutler got 100 million, Tony Romo got 100 million, Joe Flacco got a 100 million and these guys ****ing suck. Alex Smith can say, yo I'm better than these guys on paper.
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01-06-2014, 11:56 AM	#13
ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1216009	Do you put Alex Smith in the Jay Cutler league? I do and that deal is gonna **** us.
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01-06-2014, 11:57 AM	#14
mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	yea if you like Alex Smith you can't sit here and try and lowball his contract, that's like de-complimenting him. There is no scenario I see trying to get him cheap. What is your argument to him? Yo we dont think you are as good as Jay Cutler, so here's 60 million? Alex would say **** off.
Posts: 11,886