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Old 01-22-2014, 04:18 PM  
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"[Saudi King] Abdullah … wanted a full-scale military attack on Iranian military targets, not just the nuclear sites. He warned that if we did not attack, the Saudis “must go our own way to protect our interests.” As far as I was concerned, he was asking the United States to send its sons and daughters into a war with Iran in order to protect the Saudi position in the Gulf and the region, as if we were mercenaries. He was asking us to shed American blood, but at no time did he suggest that any Saudi blood might be spilled. He went on and on about how the United States was seen as weak by governments in the region. The longer he talked, the angrier I got … and I responded quite undiplomatically."

"I recommended saying no to all the Israelis’ requests. Giving them any of the items on their new list would signal U.S. support for them to attack Iran unilaterally: “At that point, we lose our ability to control our own fate in the entire region.” I said we would be handing over the initiative regarding U.S. vital national interests to a foreign power, a government that, when we asked them not to attack Syria, did so anyway.
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I decided to communicate once again with Bush privately. I said, We must not make our vital interests in the entire Middle East, the Persian Gulf, and Southwest Asia hostage to another nation’s decisions—no matter how close an ally."
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Old 01-22-2014, 04:36 PM   #2
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I said we would be handing over the initiative regarding U.S. vital national interests to a foreign power, a government that, when we asked them not to attack Syria, did so anyway.
Well, we showed them last year how a real country submits to a foreign power, when our government wanted to attack Syria and the Russians told us "no", and we danced on a string for them.
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Old 01-22-2014, 04:38 PM   #3
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Well, we showed them last year how a real country submits to a foreign power, when our government wanted to attack Syria and the Russians told us "no", and we danced on a string for them.
What a bunch of bullshit. You really think Obama "wanted" to attack Syria?
Yeah, what a disaster--didn't need to attack and they got rid of the weapons.
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Old 01-22-2014, 04:39 PM   #4
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What a bunch of bullshit. You really think Obama "wanted" to attack Syria?
Yeah, what a disaster--didn't need to attack and they got rid of the weapons.

sure they did. wink wink
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Old 01-22-2014, 04:45 PM   #5
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What a bunch of bullshit. You really think Obama "wanted" to attack Syria?
Yeah, what a disaster--didn't need to attack and they got rid of the weapons.
Funny post, would read again
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Old 01-22-2014, 04:49 PM   #6
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Funny post, would read again
Anyone that believes your premise that Obama "wanted" to attack Syria has gone full retard. I think you're somehow confusing Obama with patteeu. Rs have entered bizarro world on this topic. Only in bizzaro world is avoiding war and having the other side meet your demands considered a failure.
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Old 01-22-2014, 05:11 PM   #7
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Well, we showed them last year how a real country submits to a foreign power, when our government wanted to attack Syria and the Russians told us "no", and we danced on a string for them.
Oh brothah! Putin acted more like a statesman in that incident.
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Old 01-22-2014, 05:12 PM   #8
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Well, we showed them last year how a real country submits to a foreign power, when our government wanted to attack Syria and the Russians told us "no", and we danced on a string for them.
Wow. You remember this differently than I do. It was the American people who told our government "no." That's the string that our government danced for. Russia was just a side show capitalizing on the check that Obama's mouth was writing but didn't have the political capital to cash.
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Old 01-22-2014, 05:45 PM   #9
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I doubt they would have handed over their weapons if they felt the threat of military force was not real.
I think it was played out perfectly. No war, No weapons.
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Old 01-22-2014, 06:33 PM   #10
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Cosmo is incorrect it was the American people no.

I went to Emmanuel Cleavers townhall it was 100 to 1 against going to war with Syria.
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Old 01-22-2014, 07:57 PM   #11
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Cosmo is incorrect it was the American people no.

I went to Emmanuel Cleavers townhall it was 100 to 1 against going to war with Syria.
How's that make me incorrect? Most people didn't want to, I never said otherwise. I'm positive Obama didn't want to either--why would he? The only people who wanted to are people like McCain and pateeu who always want to send in the troops.
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Old 01-22-2014, 08:10 PM   #12
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Only in bizzaro world is avoiding war and having the other side meet your demands considered a failure.
THIS!

Since when is this a bad outcome?
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Old 01-22-2014, 08:23 PM   #13
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THIS!

Since when is this a bad outcome?
When the right-wingers here thought there would be military action, they said it was unconstitutional and Obama was a dictator who needed to be impeached.

When there was no military action, they said Obama was a puss.
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Old 01-22-2014, 08:35 PM   #14
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Obama has a red line once its crossed he will take action, hes a man of his word, a stallwart if you will, other leaders in the world look up at and admire.

Don't cross him or else, fair warning.

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[quote=Bo's Pelini;10388046]Cosmo is incorrect it was the American people no.

I went to Emmanuel Cleavers townhall it was 100 to 1 against going to war with Syria.[/QUOTE]


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