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Old 01-23-2014, 11:39 PM  
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Rand Paul Is the 2016 Republican Frontrunner

Don't laugh. He has built-in advantages in Iowa and New Hampshire, a party moving in his direction, and formidable fundraising potential.
  • All along, the theory behind Christie's candidacy was that he could overcome his lack of conservative bona fides with a combination of personality, competence, electability, and money. Bridgegate undermines all four.
  • So if Christie is no longer the candidate to beat in the 2016 Republican race, who is? Believe it or not, it’s Rand Paul.
  • Bush used the political network his father built, he enjoyed many of the benefits of someone who had run before. It’s the same with Paul. In both Iowa and New Hampshire, he begins with an unparalleled infrastructure left over from his father Ron Paul’s 2008 and 2012 campaigns.
  • “Rand has a much broader appeal than his father,” Robinson says. Polls reflect that: A survey last December for the Des Moines Register found Paul with a lower unfavorability rating among Iowa Republicans than either Christie or Jeb Bush.
  • If Paul is, arguably, the early leader in Iowa, he may be the early frontrunner in New Hampshire as well. While Ron Paul placed third in Iowa in 2012, he placed second in New Hampshire, losing only to Mitt Romney
  • “If you whited out his name, and looked at his numbers,” Scala says of Paul, “you’d think he was a strong mainstream candidate.”
  • Paul looks like a better bet than anyone else to finish in the top two in both Iowa and New Hampshire. If he did, he’d establish himself as the leading anti-establishment candidate in the GOP field.
  • Of course, the more early success Paul enjoyed, the more fervently some GOP elites—unnerved by his anti-interventionist foreign-policy views and potential weakness in a general election—would rally around someone else. Such efforts have worked in the past.
  • Paul will never be the darling of the GOP establishment. But Republican elites may have a difficult time in forging a unified front against him.
  • If there’s one thing that could obviate all this, it’s the possibility that Paul could suffer his own candidacy-crippling scandal.
  • But even taking that possibility into account, Paul is in a stronger position than many in the media recognize. On issues from NSA surveillance to drug legalization to gay marriage, the GOP is moving in his direction. For his part, Paul is gaining acceptance within the Republican mainstream.
  • There’s no way of knowing at this point, of course. But political commentators are making a big mistake if they disregard the chance.

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Old 01-24-2014, 09:48 AM   #16
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Just like Ron was going to be nominated from the floor in 2008, right?
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Old 01-24-2014, 09:56 AM   #17
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Rust Shack thinks your unwavering insistence that "this is the year" is a fool's errand.
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Old 01-24-2014, 09:57 AM   #18
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Rust Shack thinks your unwavering insistence that "this is the year" is a fool's errand.
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Old 01-24-2014, 10:05 AM   #19
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Old 01-24-2014, 10:07 AM   #21
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Old 01-24-2014, 10:28 AM   #22
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Old 01-24-2014, 11:16 AM   #23
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Some interesting opinions in this thread, but as usual, a lot of missing of the point. I don't know that Rand Paul is going to get the nomination. He hasn't even won my vote yet as far as that goes - I'm leaning towards Gary Johnson. But the article's point isn't really refutable by all of the emotions in this thread. Rand Paul is the current Republican front runner for the reasons stated - he's got the deepest organization in key battleground states, and a fundraising advantage.

I do think Scott Walker will make a strong play. Everything I've read about Jeb Bush says that he's not really all that interested, despite a lot of pressure for him to run. I think he'd be a strong candidate if he did run. Neither of these guys could currently be considered the front runner. The article is right - Rand Paul is the current front runner.
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Old 01-24-2014, 11:38 AM   #24
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Old 01-24-2014, 12:07 PM   #25
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zero viability in a general election.

he's also turned into an open borders, amnesty nut from what I've read.
I doubt that. But then, you're probably using your own personal definition for those words so it's hard to say for sure.
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I like Paul. He isn't the perfect candidate but I think he could begin moving the country in the right direction and start undoing some of the stuff the past couple of administrations have done. Hopefully, on civil liberties that Bush and Obama have violated and continue to violate.
He's a good voice to have in the Senate.
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Old 01-24-2014, 12:17 PM   #27
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Some interesting opinions in this thread, but as usual, a lot of missing of the point. I don't know that Rand Paul is going to get the nomination. He hasn't even won my vote yet as far as that goes - I'm leaning towards Gary Johnson. But the article's point isn't really refutable by all of the emotions in this thread. Rand Paul is the current Republican front runner for the reasons stated - he's got the deepest organization in key battleground states, and a fundraising advantage.

I do think Scott Walker will make a strong play. Everything I've read about Jeb Bush says that he's not really all that interested, despite a lot of pressure for him to run. I think he'd be a strong candidate if he did run. Neither of these guys could currently be considered the front runner. The article is right - Rand Paul is the current front runner.
I read the Jeb Bush wing are disappointed that he's not favored as it's supposed to be "his turn." Iirc, that branch doesn't care for Christie either.
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Old 01-24-2014, 12:18 PM   #28
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He's a good voice to have in the Senate.
Agreed, I wouldn't want him to run if he had to resign, but it sounds like he's going to try to keep his seat while also running for the nomination.

I don't think the GOP has much of a chance at all in 2016, but Rand Paul is one of the few guys who moves it from "almost no chance at all" to "slim"
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Old 01-24-2014, 12:21 PM   #29
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Well, at least it would be nice to see a candidate that could function as a public speaker. The last 16 years have been downright embarrassing in that regard. I'm not sure if Bush Jr. and Obama could team up and win a debate assignment for a sixth grade English class.
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Well, that would be one way to ensure a Dem win in 2016...
The dems are a heavy favorite to win no matter who the GOP nominates. That should be a given.

Now lets set that aside, who gives the GOP the greatest chance, albeit still slim? Is Scott Walker or Marco Rubio really better? Do you see Paul as some kind of general election joke?
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