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2013 Farm Bill

I heard a snippet on the radio yesterday about the farm bill. I've been on the combine solid for several days and it's a PIA to sift through a bunch of articles on my phone. Would anybody be willing to give a summation of where this nonsense is?

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Old 01-29-2014, 10:53 AM   #46
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U.S. House Passes Farm Bill

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The farm bill took yet another step forward as the U.S. House of Representatives passed the bill this morning with a 251-166 vote.

"I am pleased a majority of my House colleagues joined me in supporting a five-year, comprehensive farm bill. I appreciate the efforts of everyone who helped get us here," said House Ag Committee Chairman Frank Lucas. "This is legislation we can all be proud of because it fulfills the expectations the American people have of us."

"We are on the verge of achieving major reform," said Senate Ag Committee Chairwoman Debbie Stabenow. "Today’s House vote puts us one step closer to finally enacting a five-year farm bill that helps farmers and businesses create jobs across the country and saves taxpayers billions."

The farm bill, called the Agricultural Act of 2014, includes major spending reforms, including:

The elimination of direct payments Not upset about that one.
Improved crop insurance tools Depends on what they are. That could be a bad ****ing day at the office if they FUBAR MPCI
Reduced payment limits, tightened eligibility requirements and streamlined means tests On what? Hopefully it isn't doing it on crop insurance. That'd be epic levels of dumb.
A permanent livestock disaster assistance program Good.
Dairy policy reform with a new, voluntary livestock margin protection program, but no government-mandated supply controls Had to throw that one in there for the OH NOEZ crowd.
Support for beginning farmers Very likely a joke.


The bill also includes about $8 billion in food stamp cuts, as well as reforms to conservation and land programs.

"I am hopeful this legislation will enjoy the same success when the Senate considers it, and I encourage the president to sign it quickly into law," Lucas said.

"It’s now up to the Senate to take the final step," Stabenow said. "The Senate has twice passed the farm bill with overwhelming bipartisan support. I have no doubt we’ll do it again, and show that it is possible to do something to reduce the deficit and boost the economy when people work across the aisle."
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After a brief skim... I wish they would have slashed deeper on both sides.
I think that will be pretty universal. Way to much protect each thing going on as always in Washington
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After a brief skim... I wish they would have slashed deeper on both sides.
With the elimination of direct payments, payment limits (not sure what this is on, but it would be epic bad if they limit payments on MPCI), and according to HCF's link, looks like they chop quite a bit out of conservation programs, I'm not really sure what else you expect them to chop.

I'll admit, I have no idea WTF the dairy stuff is. I don't know how they're going to calculate margin insurance (I wish I could guarantee a margin on a corn acre...), but in the past nobody has balked about money spent on milk.

The livestock disaster program is important. Them passing a different bill every disaster is stupid (and it's not like they were making a decision as to whether to make the bill, just what goes in it). The livestock guys definitely need it, especially the cattle guys given how expensive the replacement costs have gotten given the recent drought that led to herd reduction.

MPCI is the one thing that I feel they can't screw with. They cut quite a bit out of the conservation programs according to HCF's link, which I think is the place they should be cutting if they have to.

Bottom line is that farm gave up far more than the 1% SNAP gave up. I should qualify that, grain farmers gave up far more than 1% of government income. And the corn farmers are the ones people freak out about. I can't speak to the dairy industry. And the animals don't get much that I know of.

The one thing I haven't heard about is the peanuts, cotton, and sugar programs are structured. They're fairly small acreages, but their reps fight tooth and nail for them, and I think they get some significant government dollars. I know there is significant infighting between the corn states and the peanuts/cotton states as well as sugar states. But all those crops manage to stay out of the headlines, so nobody gives a shit. I need to find the particulars on all this shit.

It's frustrating as a producer. I really don't mind giving up government dollars. We're in a ****ing budget crisis. But grain farmers get significant cuts and they cut SNAP a massive 1% /sarcasm. Goddamn it, cut me, but cut everyone else too.
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Old 01-29-2014, 09:57 PM   #51
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I like the livestock disaster program. I don't think it will change much dollar wise, but it should get the money there faster. Although SURE payments were 1.5 years after the drought when they came.

It looked like they cut pretty deep in conservation. Hopefully it is out of the right places. It seems to me, in my limited exposure that conservation is where the dumb money is spent.

I'm interested in the option other than RP for insurance. I'm pretty sure if it is priced competitively, dudes will stick with RP.

If those dumb bastards put limits on insurance payments like they were talking about early, I might just kill somebody.
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I like the livestock disaster program. I don't think it will change much dollar wise, but it should get the money there faster. Although SURE payments were 1.5 years after the drought when they came.

It looked like they cut pretty deep in conservation. Hopefully it is out of the right places. It seems to me, in my limited exposure that conservation is where the dumb money is spent.

I'm interested in the option other than RP for insurance. I'm pretty sure if it is priced competitively, dudes will stick with RP.

If those dumb bastards put limits on insurance payments like they were talking about early, I might just kill somebody.
I can't believe sodbuster was so limited. Kansas and Missouri native grass and pasture land can qualify for full payment crop insurance and that is bullshit. But Grain guys have the power in Mo, Ks and Oklahoma so greed pays off again

Not sure what was cut in conservation. Looks like Crop Insurance and programs will involve a mandatory conservation component. I hear you on the limits deal makes zero sense but politics spins the high dollars and you and I know limits will just mean you break up the names and acres.
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What else would you have cut?
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Here is another short summary….http://noem.house.gov/index.cfm/pres...4-3590417AEB16

Hard as hell to get any full explanations
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I can't believe sodbuster was so limited. Kansas and Missouri native grass and pasture land can qualify for full payment crop insurance and that is bullshit. But Grain guys have the power in Mo, Ks and Oklahoma so greed pays off again.
Meh, there isn't much native grass around here, unless it is terrible ground and it is staying. Unless they're counting CRP as native (which would be mindboggling) I don't see it being many acres. There has been a lot of CRP coming out.

There has been a little work done, around here anyway about breakout techniques. And, around here, there has been some really good success notilling into native grass and achieving average to slightly above average yields for comparable soils. It takes money to do it right, most notably in herbicide and fertilizer, but as long as there isn't a bunch of dirt work to be done, it isn't difficult to project average yields over native grass. Some of it has to do with higher organic matter and soil structure to facilitate water infiltration, but if managed properly, native grass can yield as well as or better than comparable soils. Around here anyway.

Now if you're going to plow under 20% slopes on shallow soils, yeah, that isn't appropriate.

And as far as I know, there a 640 acre limit per operator limit on transferring APH data, so at any given time, there shouldn't be massive exposure on grassland anyway. If you add more than 640 acres any given year, you have to take the T-Yield on it all. For farmers that farm good soils and do it well, that is significant. Unless some other insurance guys can find better loopholes than mine can, that's how I see it. Around here anyway.


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Not sure what was cut in conservation. Looks like Crop Insurance and programs will involve a mandatory conservation component. I hear you on the limits deal makes zero sense but politics spins the high dollars and you and I know limits will just mean you break up the names and acres.
Hopefully they cut out some redundancy and some of the dumbass programs. Your link talked about reducing the number of conservation programs. I don't have much experience in the conservation range, but I know what they are pushing now will not work in low rainfall environments.

And yeah, Art Barnaby proposed that limits on MPCI will just yield more legal entities back in like 2011. But the whole principle of the thing is just mind ****ing boggling. Punishing big operators that that spend the money on good farming practices and techniques because they farm more than 500 acres is mindbogglingly retarded. The guys that would fall under the (proposed) limites are the guys that are still running their Dad's 4020 and haven't changed anything about their operations since dad either. They're the guys that wash the ditches full of topsoil and blow them away when it dries out. I know there will be workaround, but son of a bitch, the whole premise is asinine.
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Probably nobody has had time to go through the ****ing 1,000 pages yet.
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I can't believe sodbuster was so limited. Kansas and Missouri native grass and pasture land can qualify for full payment crop insurance and that is bullshit. But Grain guys have the power in Mo, Ks and Oklahoma so greed pays off again
This is one area that needed expanded and if it doesn't include long term pasture land, it should. Some of the crp hills that can barely grow grass because all the top soil washed off of it in the 70's should be included as well.

There is serious "insurance farming" going on in my area. Shit land that should never be row cropped is rented, ripped up, insured, half ass farmed, and collected on. They're not trying to raise a real crop and there is no reason tax payers should be paying them to **** the system for a year or two before moving on to the next hill. If they want to insure it, they should be paying the full insurance tab the first year or two. If it won't grow crops, let the cows mow the slopes.

Getting a little off topic but... Doing the above under their temporary "shit ground LLC" while committing fraud by moving bushels to their "personal farm" ground to build or protect yield averages on owned acres is another thing that pisses me off. If they're going to continue paying for part of the insurance with tax dollars, they need to crack down on the fraud.
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This is one area that needed expanded and if it doesn't include long term pasture land, it should. Some of the crp hills that can barely grow grass because all the top soil washed off of it in the 70's should be included as well.

There is serious "insurance farming" going on in my area. Shit land that should never be row cropped is rented, ripped up, insured, half ass farmed, and collected on. They're not trying to raise a real crop and there is no reason tax payers should be paying them to **** the system for a year or two before moving on to the next hill. If they want to insure it, they should be paying the full insurance tab the first year or two. If it won't grow crops, let the cows mow the slopes.

Getting a little off topic but... Doing the above under their temporary "shit ground LLC" while committing fraud by moving bushels to their "personal farm" ground to build or protect yield averages on owned acres is another thing that pisses me off. If they're going to continue paying for part of the insurance with tax dollars, they need to crack down on the fraud.

Well, MO Ks and OKL were all NOT included so the insurance farming will continue and the last remaining prairie area are at full risk. Amazing that NB, IA and SD got protected by Representative Noem from SD but Hartzler in Mo and Roberts in Senate from Ks who are both big Ag supporters let this happen.
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This is one area that needed expanded and if it doesn't include long term pasture land, it should. Some of the crp hills that can barely grow grass because all the top soil washed off of it in the 70's should be included as well.

There is serious "insurance farming" going on in my area. Shit land that should never be row cropped is rented, ripped up, insured, half ass farmed, and collected on. They're not trying to raise a real crop and there is no reason tax payers should be paying them to **** the system for a year or two before moving on to the next hill. If they want to insure it, they should be paying the full insurance tab the first year or two. If it won't grow crops, let the cows mow the slopes.

Getting a little off topic but... Doing the above under their temporary "shit ground LLC" while committing fraud by moving bushels to their "personal farm" ground to build or protect yield averages on owned acres is another thing that pisses me off. If they're going to continue paying for part of the insurance with tax dollars, they need to crack down on the fraud.
Where are you?

I don't see any of that happening here. There is maybe 300 acres of questionable land broke out that I know of in the last 5 years in my county. I'm not saying it's not happening, just not around me.

The fraud thing is important. I keep hearing shit about it but I can't make the math work for me on my farm. Mother Nature demolishes my aph bad enough. I don't need to hurt it any more. Plus we're a lot of sharecrop here and you just don't **** landlords. You just don't do it.

FWIW, there are random audits. Or there used to be anyway. Dad got one when I was in high school. Maybe they've tied up all the auditors with payment threshold audits but they used to do a few.

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Well, MO Ks and OKL were all NOT included so the insurance farming will continue and the last remaining prairie area are at full risk. Amazing that NB, IA and SD got protected by Representative Noem from SD but Hartzler in Mo and Roberts in Senate from Ks who are both big Ag supporters let this happen.
Roberts got booted off the ag committee. Someone told me huelskamps dumbass did too. That would leave Kansas with no representation on either ag committee in either chamber.
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