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Old 02-19-2014, 08:14 PM  
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Anyone Following The Protests In The Ukraine?

I've been seeing some impressive pics of protests in Kiev.


Protests against new anti-democratic laws in Ukraine are increasing in intensity, with four citizens reported dead. As you can see in these extraordinary images by Ilya Varlamov, the demonstrators are using rockets made with fireworks. They look like scenes from some science-fiction movie about urban warfare.

The latest reports talk about at least four people killed and hundreds injured by the police. After the massive protests against the government's rejection against the European Union in favor of an alliance with the former Russian oppressors, Kiev officials announced new repressive laws limiting the people's right to protest. These urban battles are the people's reaction to those laws.

Ukraine was a former Soviet Republic, created after a civil war between pro-communist and the Ukrainian People's Republic armies at the beginning of the 20th century, right after the fall of the Russian Empire. The communists won, and the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was established. In theory, it was an independent state, but in fact—like all republics in the USSR and satellite countries—it was under a tight control by the Kremlin.

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Old 02-20-2014, 01:37 AM   #46
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Give credit to China containing NK out of sheer necessity.. That regime falls and both China and SK will be overrun with millions of jobless, starving and uneducated refugees.
North Korea and more importantly, its people, mean less than nothing to China... how many hands are being wrung, how many sleepless nights are the suffering on their southern border bothering them?

I'd bet a very precious few, they don't give a shit about people... if they felt the need to invade NK and destroy everything in sight to keep us from having nukes on their doorstep they'd do it in a heartbeat.

Refugees? they'd give in to the overwhelming tide, but would barely lift a finger to help while they set about securing NK weaponry... China sucks, they're whole worldview sucks, bunch of endangered species penis eating mfers.
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Old 02-20-2014, 03:05 AM   #47
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Old 02-20-2014, 05:59 AM   #48
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I'm not for giving up your guns, but when the authoritarian govt comes for you, good luck. I don't know what you have, but it will likely delay the inevitable for about 5 minutes.
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Old 02-20-2014, 08:01 AM   #49
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Ridiculous comparison. What was the Brits' most powerful weapon compared to what the colonists had?

Now how about today? How many F-16s are in your fleet? What kind of stealth bomber are you using these days?
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Old 02-20-2014, 08:06 AM   #50
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I'm not for giving up your guns, but when the authoritarian govt comes for you, good luck. I don't know what you have, but it will likely delay the inevitable for about 5 minutes.
People have resisted governments with less.
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Old 02-20-2014, 08:15 AM   #51
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They're saying the protestors took 67 officers hostage, and that the government has told other police they can use firearms to get them back.
If you start taking officers hostage you better be pretty committed too seeing it out to the end, because that could get very bad.
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Old 02-20-2014, 09:14 AM   #52
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I think your whole description here is an exaggeration, particularly the part I bolded. That video you posted is ridiculous. Was that an Alex Jones production? The opening line is that the governor "ordered" a million people to stay home. That's not true. Boston's a big place, and you weren't arrested for leaving the house. These searches were done in a limited area, and the bomber was in fact found very close by.

Anyway, the accusation in the prior post was that martial law was on the way, with the implication of it being at the federal level, although I'm not sure what it would be in response to. Just for fun to oppress the citizenry for some reason? It's paranoid nonsense.
Basically, even after I posted video evidence, all you can say is the warrant-less searches were conducted in a limited area so then it's okay. You seem to totally ignore the fact that searches were conducted without a search warrant.
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Old 02-20-2014, 09:18 AM   #53
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Watching some of the footage I did start to wonder how the US would handle a similar protest. We've seen plenty of large scale protests but nobody was armed so a bucket of pepper spray usually put an end to it.

Would we squash a large group of armed/dug in protesters with overwhelming violence? Would we sit back and give it time to calm it self down? How would the public react to the police just blasting everyone?

And I'm not talking about national martial law. I'm talking about one city and a centralized square like we've seen in the Ukraine or Cairo.
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Basically, even after I posted video evidence, all you can say is the warrant-less searches were conducted in a limited area so then it's okay. You seem to totally ignore the fact that searches were conducted without a search warrant.
A warrant isn't always needed for a search.
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Watching some of the footage I did start to wonder how the US would handle a similar protest. We've seen plenty of large scale protests but nobody was armed so a bucket of pepper spray usually put an end to it.

Would we squash a large group of armed/dug in protesters with overwhelming violence? Would we sit back and give it time to calm it self down? How would the public react to the police just blasting everyone?

And I'm not talking about national martial law. I'm talking about one city and a centralized square like we've seen in the Ukraine or Cairo.
No one here is motivated to do anything like that. It's playacting here. You don't want to risk your life to protest when you have your iPhone and Netflix and a Starbucks in your hand.
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Watching some of the footage I did start to wonder how the US would handle a similar protest. We've seen plenty of large scale protests but nobody was armed so a bucket of pepper spray usually put an end to it.

Would we squash a large group of armed/dug in protesters with overwhelming violence? Would we sit back and give it time to calm it self down? How would the public react to the police just blasting everyone?

And I'm not talking about national martial law. I'm talking about one city and a centralized square like we've seen in the Ukraine or Cairo.
The Branch Davidians say it could never happen here.
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