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Old 02-19-2014, 08:14 PM  
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Anyone Following The Protests In The Ukraine?

I've been seeing some impressive pics of protests in Kiev.


Protests against new anti-democratic laws in Ukraine are increasing in intensity, with four citizens reported dead. As you can see in these extraordinary images by Ilya Varlamov, the demonstrators are using rockets made with fireworks. They look like scenes from some science-fiction movie about urban warfare.

The latest reports talk about at least four people killed and hundreds injured by the police. After the massive protests against the government's rejection against the European Union in favor of an alliance with the former Russian oppressors, Kiev officials announced new repressive laws limiting the people's right to protest. These urban battles are the people's reaction to those laws.

Ukraine was a former Soviet Republic, created after a civil war between pro-communist and the Ukrainian People's Republic armies at the beginning of the 20th century, right after the fall of the Russian Empire. The communists won, and the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was established. In theory, it was an independent state, but in fact—like all republics in the USSR and satellite countries—it was under a tight control by the Kremlin.

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Old 02-20-2014, 10:23 AM   #61
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Watching some of the footage I did start to wonder how the US would handle a similar protest. We've seen plenty of large scale protests but nobody was armed so a bucket of pepper spray usually put an end to it.

Would we squash a large group of armed/dug in protesters with overwhelming violence? Would we sit back and give it time to calm it self down? How would the public react to the police just blasting everyone?

And I'm not talking about national martial law. I'm talking about one city and a centralized square like we've seen in the Ukraine or Cairo.
Like Chicago during the convention riots? They were using full auto 50s to get people out of abandoned buildings. The major difference was most people thought the govt was right. Today i don't think there is a bet on government. Once government is seen as the enemy the dynamic changes dramatically We are creeping close to the edge. And Obamas policy of divide people and pit one group against another could have very serious consequences
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Old 02-20-2014, 10:25 AM   #62
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No one here is motivated to do anything like that. It's playacting here. You don't want to risk your life to protest when you have your iPhone and Netflix and a Starbucks in your hand.
They don't have cell phones, coffee and movies on the internet there?
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Old 02-20-2014, 10:32 AM   #63
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They don't have cell phones, coffee and movies on the internet there?
I would say they're not as spoiled as we are. If you disagree with that feel free to do so.
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Old 02-20-2014, 11:09 AM   #64
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I certainly can't image that happening here. There aren't many issues that I could see myself getting that pissed off about.

It looks like things are also heating up in Columbia.
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Old 02-20-2014, 11:11 AM   #65
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They don't have cell phones, coffee and movies on the internet there?
They probably worked their asses off to get them unlike the vast majority of Americans.
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Old 02-20-2014, 11:13 AM   #66
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The Branch Davidians say it could never happen here.
Aside from the other implications of mentioning them, you would describe them as "protestors?"
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Old 02-20-2014, 11:18 AM   #67
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Venezuela is blowing up. Another excellent success for Obama and company. Photos have been dramatic
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Venezuela is blowing up. Another excellent success for Obama and company. Photos have been dramatic
It's a feather in Obama's cap.
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What I don't understand is how a guy whose only professional experience before getting into Chavez's inner circle was being a ****ing BUS DRIVER.
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Old 02-20-2014, 12:11 PM   #70
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What I don't understand is how a guy whose only professional experience before getting into Chavez's inner circle was being a ****ing BUS DRIVER.
Amazing. Next thing you know a guy who never had a job and was a community organizer will be President.
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Aside from the other implications of mentioning them, you would describe them as "protestors?"
No, they were just minding their own business which makes what was done to them even worse, IMO.
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Amazing. Next thing you know a guy who never had a job and was a community organizer will be President.
As much as I don't think it qualified the guy for jack, he was a professor and local state representative first.
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As much as I don't think it qualified the guy for jack, he was a professor and local state representative first.
Thats what I said.
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No, they were just minding their own business which makes what was done to them even worse, IMO.
That's an interesting way of describing the activities there.
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I wonder how many people are really beginning to see something in our near future that none of us want. Seems no one wants to "go there". Is it just the people i talk to ? Im not talking a small group or a small area. Sure seems a lot of folks are on edge. Civil unrest is a new thing to millenials but the boomers have seen this once before.
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