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By JAMES HOHMANN | 2/13/14 3:48 PM EST Updated: 2/13/14 5:00 PM EST

In a Thursday night speech at Ronald Reagan’s presidential library, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal will warn of a “silent war” on religious liberty in America and urge states to pass laws designed to block overreach by the Obama administration.

The 4,500-word address, shared first with POLITICO, touches on several hot-button issues, including same-sex marriage and contraception. Jindal, a potential 2016 GOP presidential candidate trying to woo social conservatives, argues that liberals will use the mantra of anti-discrimination to force people to violate their religious beliefs.

“The American people, whether they know it or not, are mired in a silent war,” Jindal will say at the Simi Valley, Calif., event. “It threatens the fabric of our communities, the health of our public square and the endurance of our constitutional governance.”

“This war is waged in our courts and in the halls of political power,” he adds, according to the prepared remarks. “It is pursued with grim and relentless determination by a group of like-minded elites, determined to transform the country from a land sustained by faith into a land where faith is silenced, privatized and circumscribed.”

The 42-year-old governor calls the upcoming Supreme Court decision on whether government can force Hobby Lobby craft stores to cover contraception through their health insurance plans just one of the battles being fought over religious liberty.

Citing a piece of failed legislation in Illinois, Jindal suggests that liberals will eventually try to pass laws designed to pressure churches to perform same-sex marriage ceremonies against their will. He also will blast the New Mexico Supreme Court for ruling last August that a wedding photography business violated the state’s Human Rights Act by refusing to photograph a same-sex commitment ceremony.

“This is the next stage of the assault, and it is only beginning,” Jindal plans to say.

“Today, an overwhelming majority of those who belong to a religious denomination in America — that’s more than half the country — are members of organizations that affirm the traditional definition of marriage. All of those denominations will be targeted in large and small degrees in the coming years.”

Jindal, a son of Indian immigrants and a convert to Catholicism, notes that religious persecution led the first pilgrims to cross the Atlantic Ocean. He speaks poignantly about the role religious groups have played in the push to abolish slavery and promote civil rights.

“America does not sustain and create faith. Faith created and sustains America,” he is expected to say.

Jindal, whose second term as governor ends in January 2016, is positioning himself to carry the mantle for social conservatives if he goes forward with a run for the White House. He was the first prominent politician to decry A&E for suspending “Duck Dynasty” star Phil Robertson over comments he made about homosexuality. The network backtracked under pressure from viewers.

“I defended them because they have every right to speak their minds, however indelicately they may choose to do so,” Jindal says of the Robertson family in his Thursday speech. “The modern left in America is completely intolerant of the views of people of faith. They want a completely secular society where people of faith keep their views to themselves.”

On March 25, the Supreme Court will hear oral arguments in the Hobby Lobby case.

The religious family that owns the crafts store chain was told it would be fined $1.3 million a day if it did not cover morning-after pills for its employees under the Affordable Care Act. The federal government argues that Hobby Lobby is a for-profit business and thus not protected under the First Amendment’s “free exercise” of religion clause. But the family considers birth control objectionable on religious grounds.

“The Obama administration’s argument ignores these beliefs and treats them as little more than an inconvenience to its ever-expanding regulatory state,” he will say.

Jindal accuses the Obama administration of misinterpreting the First Amendment and believing that religious freedom means only the freedom to worship.

“Under the Obama regime, the president and his allies are intentional in pursuing these conflicts from the perspective that you must sacrifice your most sacred beliefs to government the instant you start a business,” he will say.

He notes that all nine Supreme Court justices agreed in the 2012 Hosanna-Tabor decision that federal employment laws do not apply to how religious organizations select their leaders. But he worries about a flood of anti-discrimination lawsuits at the state level, like the one in New Mexico.

“Will churches in America even be able to remain part of the public square in a time when their views on sin are in direct conflict with the culture and when expressing those views will be seen as hiding hateful speech behind religious protections?” Jindal will ask.

Jindal is the latest potential presidential candidate to make the pilgrimage to Simi Valley, Calif., following Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie. Each has offered a vision for where he aspires to lead the party of Reagan.

Former Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels famously called for a “truce” on social issues when he was considering a 2012 run, and some Washington Republicans think Jindal’s talk will only embolden Democrats to run their “war on women” playbook.

Jindal, however, argues that now’s the time for social conservatives to take a stand.

“In practical terms, a truce would only amount to those who value religious liberty laying down their arms,” Jindal says in the speech. “Our religious freedom was won over the course of centuries of persecution and blood, and we should not surrender them without a fight.”

Jindal notes that pharmacists are already protected from needing to fill prescriptions for birth control if they object on religious grounds. He wants to extend this principle to other professions.

He praises states such as Kansas and Kentucky for enacting religious liberty protections, which adopt strict standards in the state constitutions, either by amendment or judicial decision. The Kentucky law, which passed over the Democratic governor’s veto, requires proof of a compelling government interest before any state or local law can force citizens to act in opposition to their religious beliefs.

“These laws are a good start, but we need more of them,” Jindal will say. “We must enshrine in our state laws strong legal protections for churches, religious organizations and individual believers. No church or church affiliated organization or individuals whose business is run in a manner consistent with their faith practices should be required by the state to take steps in conflict with their religion. Nor should they be legally punished for how they treat marital arrangements outside the teachings of their faith.”

A key theme of the speech is that religious pluralism must be protected on principle, regardless of someone’s view on abortion or gay marriage.

“It is unmistakable that most of the Obama administration’s attacks on religious liberty are aimed at conservative Christians,” Jindal is to say, “but the fact is that our religious liberties are designed to protect people of all faiths.”
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Old 02-22-2014, 03:55 AM   #46
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It's a question. That you just avoided. Are you OK with voodoo stores selling body parts to their fellow followers?

I'm about as ok with this as I am with leprechauns riding unicorns in the bike lane during daily commute.
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Old 02-22-2014, 03:56 AM   #47
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What is to stop an organization that believes in "prayer healing" and that any health care that provides "medicine" or "medical intervention" is a violation of their belief? Is it still so simple then?
That's a good question. What's to stop them?

I'm not about to make their decision for them, if that's what you mean. I have no plans to stop people from deciding how to practice their faith. My world view doesn't require everyone to believe exactly like I do about every issue. In fact, it only requires people to believe one thing: no one has the right to be an aggressor on someone eles's life, liberty, or property lest they face the jaws of justice.
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Old 02-22-2014, 04:50 PM   #48
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Tiptap to religious people: when you enter the enterprise of making money, check your religion at the door. You can't take your religion with you into the public space.

What hideous tripe.

Let's see my Jesus told the money changers and sellers to leave the temple because commerce was not the the focus of worship. (it wasn't even tolerated there.) So you can carry your moral set in your personal behavior everywhere but you don't get to state the temple now is present in your commerce. So it is not a measure of ignorance or deceit. It is my religious position by the Bible.
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Old 02-22-2014, 05:48 PM   #49
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...


Pretty simple stuff. You make a law mandating contraception - there's the first problem there... Our federal government is mandating people provide other people with contraception. But what if those people don't want to provide the other people contraception on religious grounds? How do we solve this. Simple. We read the constitution and recognize that we can't prohibit people from practicing their religion - we can't force them to provide contraception for other people.

This is simple. You've got to set up some real Rube Goldberg stuff to get from here to "no, these people are morally bound to provide other people with contraception." This is pretty stupid stuff. And it's a big part of why the Democrats are going to get swept up in history this November.
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Old 02-22-2014, 05:54 PM   #50
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I'm about as ok with this as I am with leprechauns riding unicorns in the bike lane during daily commute.
So we agree that there must be a limit to expression of religious beliefs in the market place, and that it is appropriate for those limits to be enforced by law. The rest of the discussion is all about where we place those limits.
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So we agree that there must be a limit to expression of religious beliefs in the market place, and that it is appropriate for those limits to be enforced by law. The rest of the discussion is all about where we place those limits.
Why would you assume he isn't COMPLETELY OK with leprechauns riding unicorns in the bike lane during daily commute?
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Why would you assume he isn't COMPLETELY OK with leprechauns riding unicorns in the bike lane during daily commute?
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Yeah, so? They need to run their corporation within the laws that apply to corporations.


On a mostly unrelated note, I read that Hobby Lobby stores don't use bar codes. When you check out, there's no scanner and they have to type everything in like in the olden days. Is this some religious thing? Are bar codes evil?
LOL you bastard my wife came home from Hobby Lobby this week so you made me go look at the stuff she bought and you're right. They don't use bar codes. Crazy.

Maybe they decided employing more people by not using them correlates with their business model.
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Let's see my Jesus told the money changers and sellers to leave the temple because commerce was not the the focus of worship. (it wasn't even tolerated there.) So you can carry your moral set in your personal behavior everywhere but you don't get to state the temple now is present in your commerce. So it is not a measure of ignorance or deceit. It is my religious position by the Bible.

Are you high? What does commerce in the temple have anything to do with this discussion? They were selling animals for sacrifice. This issue does not come to bear in this discussion.
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So we agree that there must be a limit to expression of religious beliefs in the market place, and that it is appropriate for those limits to be enforced by law. The rest of the discussion is all about where we place those limits.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. I responded to your fantasy question with a fantasy response. I'm unaware that there are any pending questions about the legality of -- what is it you were saying -- voodoo stores (is it?) selling body parts (or something?) As far as I know, your example is made up of whole cloth, and doesn't actually pertain to any real case. Do voodoo people want to sell body parts as part of religious practices? Is voodoo even a religion? Not that I care. So long as they're not infringing on the life, liberty and propety of others, I'm not really concerned about what they do.
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Are you high? What does commerce in the temple have anything to do with this discussion? They were selling animals for sacrifice. This issue does not come to bear in this discussion.
1. Source of religious thought on subject. (you can lecture me when you sell all that you have and give to the poor and follow Him)

2. God ordered those blood sacrifices. Jesus was mad because the focus was on making money instead of prayer and supplication to God.

3. It is a clear delineation by Jesus that his religion was not making money. Not that that is wrong. It just doesn't get the label of being a religious, God focused activity.

4. The boss/owner does not get to dictate his particular religious beliefs in the market place of commerce. He does get to witness his religious beliefs but not mandate them.
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I'm not sure what you're talking about. I responded to your fantasy question with a fantasy response. I'm unaware that there are any pending questions about the legality of -- what is it you were saying -- voodoo stores (is it?) selling body parts (or something?) As far as I know, your example is made up of whole cloth, and doesn't actually pertain to any real case. Do voodoo people want to sell body parts as part of religious practices? Is voodoo even a religion? Not that I care. So long as they're not infringing on the life, liberty and property of others, I'm not really concerned about what they do.
So, as I said, we agree that there must be a limit to expression of religious beliefs in the market place, and that it is appropriate for those limits to be enforced by law. The rest of the discussion is all about where we place those limits.
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1. Source of religious thought on subject. (you can lecture me when you sell all that you have and give to the poor and follow Him)

2. God ordered those blood sacrifices. Jesus was mad because the focus was on making money instead of prayer and supplication to God.

3. It is a clear delineation by Jesus that his religion was not making money. Not that that is wrong. It just doesn't get the label of being a religious, God focused activity.

4. The boss/owner does not get to dictate his particular religious beliefs in the market place of commerce. He does get to witness his religious beliefs but not mandate them.
This is just bizarre, absolutely idiotic stuff. You're using the Bible to make court law precedent? Absolutely strange. Especially the really weird way that you're applying it. I reject it all out of hand. There is zero merit to any of it in the context of this discussion.

A Christian, even when at work, is still a Christian. Owning a business does not mean that the government can mandate you to do something against your religious beliefs. Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion. If you make a law requiring me to do something I believe crosses a religious line, you've nullified the first amendment. It no longer exists. If the first amendment no longer exists, America doesn't exist. I don't think people really understand the tinderbox that is being so flippantly played with here.

That this is even a discussion shows how anti-intellectual and anti-philosophical leftists have become. To sit here with a straight face and tell the world that Christian business owners have a moral obligation to provide contraception for ANYONE just shows how deep in the outhouse the ideological left is scraping.

Even more stunning are the people arguing in favor of this fecal-ruby that is trying to be passed off as a precious gem. I'm ashamed for our country when I read smart people trying to justify this.
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So, as I said, we agree that there must be a limit to expression of religious beliefs in the market place, and that it is appropriate for those limits to be enforced by law. The rest of the discussion is all about where we place those limits.

I have no interest in policing religious beliefs. My interest is in one thing: the protection of life, liberty, and property. These boundaries should never be crossed for any reason - and if they are, justice should be swift and rigorous.
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A Christian, even when at work, is still a Christian. Owning a business does not mean that the government can mandate you to do something against your religious beliefs. Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion. If you make a law requiring me to do something I believe crosses a religious line, you've nullified the first amendment. It no longer exists. If the first amendment no longer exists, America doesn't exist. I don't think people really understand the tinderbox that is being so flippantly played with here.
Actually, you've gone a bit overboard here. The word used is "prohibt" not "abridged". For example, if I have a religion that condones human sacrifice, I cannot claim freedom of prosecution for murder because my religious rights were prohibited. The law takes precedence.

Religion is matter of "opinion" not "action" in the eyes of the law. Therefore you have the right to your opinion regarding religion but not necessarily any action you desire that stems from those opinions. I can believe, as a matter of religious opinion, I am entitled to multiple wives. But, I cannot engage in the action because it is contrary to U.S. Law (this was actually the SCOTUS case where the distinction was made).
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