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Old 02-19-2014, 08:14 PM  
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Anyone Following The Protests In The Ukraine?

I've been seeing some impressive pics of protests in Kiev.


Protests against new anti-democratic laws in Ukraine are increasing in intensity, with four citizens reported dead. As you can see in these extraordinary images by Ilya Varlamov, the demonstrators are using rockets made with fireworks. They look like scenes from some science-fiction movie about urban warfare.

The latest reports talk about at least four people killed and hundreds injured by the police. After the massive protests against the government's rejection against the European Union in favor of an alliance with the former Russian oppressors, Kiev officials announced new repressive laws limiting the people's right to protest. These urban battles are the people's reaction to those laws.

Ukraine was a former Soviet Republic, created after a civil war between pro-communist and the Ukrainian People's Republic armies at the beginning of the 20th century, right after the fall of the Russian Empire. The communists won, and the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was established. In theory, it was an independent state, but in fact—like all republics in the USSR and satellite countries—it was under a tight control by the Kremlin.

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Old 02-23-2014, 12:31 PM   #121
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His life was never in danger. His freedom might have been, though.
I realy admire a country where a leader is forced out because the minority threatened to destroy the capital. I'm sure his supporters are ok with this and will gladly accept the will of the protestors.
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Old 02-23-2014, 12:32 PM   #122
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Take off your USA! USA! USA! colored glasses. And quit slurping up the news you're being fed by our biased media. The protestors are simply pissed off they lost the election in 2010 and with that, the right to control policy.


I can assure you if tens of thousans of Tea Party protestors stormed Washington Mall after the 2012 re-election of Obama and started tearing down the entire city, they'd be met with armed resistance too. In America, we don't behave that way when our side loses elections.

And we never will?
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Old 02-23-2014, 12:35 PM   #123
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And we never will?
We did once in 1860 and it resulted in a terrible tragedy. But whatever, people don't learn from history. The eastern half of Ukraine will obviously not accept this outcome. The protestors haven't thought through what happens next.
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Old 02-23-2014, 12:47 PM   #124
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Do you have any friends or relatives caught up in this, Pants? If so, I hope they are safe and well.
Thanks, Donger.

I do have all kinds of aunts, uncles and cousins back there not to mention old friends. Thankfully they are all safe and it seems like any sort of violence has ceased.

My fear now is that whoever replaces the old leaders in May will go right back to getting rich beyond belief as opposed to working on bettering their country. It's been the same old story ever since the breakup in 1991.
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Old 02-23-2014, 12:48 PM   #125
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Thanks, Donger.

I do have all kinds of aunts, uncles and cousins back there not to mention old friends. Thankfully they are all safe and it seems like any sort of violence has ceased.

My fear now is that whoever replaces the old leaders in May will go right back to getting rich beyond belief as opposed to working on bettering their country. It's been the same old story every since the breakup in 1991.
Understood. Continued good luck on that front.

Isn't the gal who was just released also accused of lining her pockets at one point?
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Old 02-23-2014, 12:53 PM   #126
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Understood. Continued good luck on that front.

Isn't the gal who was just released also accused of lining her pockets at one point?
Tymoshenko? Yeah, most certainly.

I'm hearing she's already being told that she won't exactly be a shoe-in for any kind of position of real power. Apparently she just assumed that she was going to be the de facto PM (at the very least) upon gaining her freedom back.
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Old 02-23-2014, 01:15 PM   #127
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We did once in 1860 and it resulted in a terrible tragedy. But whatever, people don't learn from history. The eastern half of Ukraine will obviously not accept this outcome. The protestors haven't thought through what happens next.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=281688
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It looks like Ukraine has it's "red states/blue states" map already in full swing.



Hopefully America never comes to a point of violence based on geography and political divides.
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Old 02-23-2014, 01:49 PM   #129
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It looks like Ukraine has it's "red states/blue states" map already in full swing.



Hopefully America never comes to a point of violence based on geography and political divides.

Moving that direction
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language people...language. It defines us in many ways. We in the US better wake the **** up....languages will dive and lead to a bad end

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It's funny how the Olympics (opening ceremony and events) all have public address announcers speaking English. As we see from nearly all the athletes themselves no matter where they come from. Yet we have folks here in the US defending bi-lingualism. Truly mind blowing.
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I like this chart: What Countries Does Ukraine Export to?

Russia: 25%
Turkey: 5%
Italy 5%
Egypt: 4%
Belarus: 4%
Germany: 3%

http://atlas.media.mit.edu/country/ukr/


Wow sure hope this revolution works out well for their economy.
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Considering the stuff that the Soviets did to people who weren't Russian, if I were in a former Soviet Republic, I would be very way of getting closer to the Russian government.
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So, I let a somewhat hyperventilating style overtake me the other night in regard to "the fed"... but can anyone tell me why its a good idea for a 100% autonomous entity to control American monetary policy?

When a Congressman asks a Fed Chairman to "tell us where the trillions of taxpayer dollars you loaned went"... and that guy can give a one word answer "NO" with absolutely zero fear of repercussions... how is that a good thing?

They're NOT Federal and are not beholden to our laws, how can someone trust an entity like that?
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So, I let a somewhat hyperventilating style overtake me the other night in regard to "the fed"... but can anyone tell me why its a good idea for a 100% autonomous entity to control American monetary policy?

When a Congressman asks a Fed Chairman to "tell us where the trillions of taxpayer dollars you loaned went"... and that guy can give a one word answer "NO" with absolutely zero fear of repercussions... how is that a good thing?

They're NOT Federal and are not beholden to our laws, how can someone trust an entity like that?
This thread seems to be about Ukraine. Are you lost?
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