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Old 02-24-2014, 09:14 PM  
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The 15 Beliefs of the Tea Party

I keep hearing people on both sides bash the Tea Party and I have to admit I have never actually looked into exactly what the stance of the Tea Party is, so this is what I found. Amazingly it seems that a lot of people on both sides tend to agree with most of these beliefs. It's obvious why status quo politicians are afraid of the Tea Party but I have to question why we hear some on the voter end bashing them. I have listed the beliefs below and put a D, R or B (both) for where I think beliefs fall from an "isle" aspect:

1. Illegal aliens are here illegally. R
2. Pro-domestic employment is indispensable. D
3. A strong military is essential. R
4. Special interests must be eliminated. B
5. Gun ownership is sacred. R
6. Government must be downsized. B
7. The national budget must be balanced. B
8. Deficit spending must end. B
9. Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal. D
10. Reducing personal income taxes is a must. B
11. Reducing business income taxes is mandatory. R
12. Political offices must be available to average citizens. B
13. Intrusive government must be stopped. B
14. English as our core language is required. R
15. Traditional family values are encouraged. R

- See more at: http://www.teaparty.org/about-us/#sthash.fNHyEuQs.dpuf
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Old 02-24-2014, 11:10 PM   #61
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Yeah, I know, off the charts considering he was ranked as one of the most liberal people in the Senate. I mean where would that come from???

Keep on pretending your hero isn't anything more than an Alinsky sycophant.
Ranked by who? Conservative nuts? Regardless, his Senate record is his Senate record. I assumed you were talking about his presidency.

Comments like the one I bolded is why you and the teabaggers are considered irrational kooks.
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Old 02-24-2014, 11:12 PM   #62
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Ranked by who? Conservative nuts? Regardless, his Senate record is his Senate record. I assumed you were talking about his presidency.

Comments like the one I bolded is why you and the teabaggers are considered irrational kooks.
Yes, irrational for believing our lying eyes as opposed to your lying mouth.
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Old 02-24-2014, 11:12 PM   #63
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Your rights come from the natural state of humanity. Mythical sky deity of your choice has nothing to do with it at all.
you need to learn what blessing means...thenread the lyrics to of the Battle Hymn of the Republic. then read the bible verse on the Liberty bell, then read the top of the Washington monument, then read the lyrics to Taps. then read the lyrics to the SSB...then read Washington's inagural addresses.
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Old 02-24-2014, 11:13 PM   #64
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Cosmo won't accept anything less than hero status when it comes to Obama.
Delusional ramblings of someone who may be off his meds this week.
I actually thought you had a good couple of weeks with a couple threads you started. I guess we're back to "normal."
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Old 02-24-2014, 11:15 PM   #65
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Delusional ramblings of someone who may be off his meds this week.
I actually thought you had a good couple of weeks with a couple threads you started. I guess we're back to "normal."
You mean the instant I point out that your buddy in the White House is a Marxist? I mean it's not like there is any evidence of that in his past or anything.
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Old 02-24-2014, 11:18 PM   #66
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you and the teabaggers are considered irrational kooks.
And your Progressivism(a la Marxism) is sane ? And Stalin was not an irrational homicidal kook who killed many many millions of his own people? But your side justifies killing many millions in the womb ? Wait a minute

What Tea Party person has done that ??
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Old 02-24-2014, 11:20 PM   #67
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You mean the instant I point out that your buddy in the White House is a Marxist? I mean it's not like there is any evidence of that in his past or anything.
simply ridiculous
Certain words have simply been given a new meaning by RWNJs when Obama was elected. Anyone looking at things objectively would think people calling Obama Marxist are ****ing morons. Anyone left of Ron Paul gets labeled a Marxist now.
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Old 02-24-2014, 11:23 PM   #68
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simply ridiculous
Certain words have simply been given a new meaning by RWNJs when Obama was elected. Anyone looking at things objectively would think people calling Obama Marxist are ****ing morons. Anyone left of Ron Paul gets labeled a Marxist now.
And anyone who doesn't agree with you in a RWNJ.
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And anyone who doesn't agree with you in a RWNJ.
I don't think that, but apparently you are agreeing with what I said.
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you need to learn what blessing means...thenread the lyrics to of the Battle Hymn of the Republic. then read the bible verse on the Liberty bell, then read the top of the Washington monument, then read the lyrics to Taps. then read the lyrics to the SSB...then read Washington's inagural addresses.
So people of yesteryear believed in a whole bunch of mystical mumbo jumbo. I don't expect people to be rational a hundred percent of the time.

The fact is your rights aren't given to you by anybody. Not by the government, not by society, and not by the mythical sky deity of your choice. Your rights are inherent because they are the rights you have in the natural state of humanity.
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Obama is very moderate and operates far to the right of left. He might say things that seem liberal, but as people who voted for him learned, they're just words.

Other than Obamacare(huge win for the insurance industry) and being spineless, what has he done that is overtly liberal?
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Well this is why I think it is important that the term "Creator" is used. Call it God or what have you but it's sole purpose in my mind is to intimate exactly what you said, that our rights are not given us by man but by something above and beyond man.
Creator is a bad word. It suggests that there is an imaginary person solecisms responsible for this.
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Old 02-25-2014, 12:09 AM   #73
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So people of yesteryear believed in a whole bunch of mystical mumbo jumbo. I don't expect people to be rational a hundred percent of the time.

The fact is your rights aren't given to you by anybody. Not by the government, not by society, and not by the mythical sky deity of your choice. Your rights are inherent because they are the rights you have in the natural state of humanity.
Without a nation of laws created by men, there would be no "rights".

Anyone would be free to anything to anyone at anytime.
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Old 02-25-2014, 12:12 AM   #74
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The thing about the Tea Party to remember is that it is decentralized. There is no Home Office or franchise system to ensure that each chapter holds identical ideals in the same priorities. A Tea Party chapter in Wisconsin or Michigan might have different beliefs in union relations, or pursue them with a different intensity, than a chapter from, say, Mississippi or Georgia, who might focus more on gun control. This example is by region, but they vary in plenty of other different ways as well, so you can't hold them to hard and fast mission statements.

The other thing about them is that they're vulnerable to being co-opted by special interests. The existence of Super-PAC's means completely untraceable money, which makes it super easy for crafty political operatives (who are much better at doing these sorts of things, than any of us are at spotting them) can and do bend a movement like the Tea Party to whatever they want - most likely, lining their own pockets. The other place where we saw this happen was the quick flare-gun life span of the Occupy Movement, who got co-opted by every union, left-wing think tank, and iced tea dispensary with staggering speed and efficiency.

So any analysis of the Tea Party has to be done in generalizations, and with a certain amount of cynicism. As best I can figure, the main feature that most of the Tea Party rallies around is lower taxes, both personal and (by some) corporate. That, and the logically-following austerity, are clearly Republican ideals; modern Democrats are more likely to "tax and spend", promoting entitlements, welfare, infrastructure, and so on, while understand that (to paraphrase Clinton) some 'sacrifice' will be necessary.

As for the other tenets, most of them skew Republican as well. Look at the items on that list of 15 that voters are most passionate about. Abortion is (wisely) avoided completely, but the phrasing of their stance on immigration, gun control, family values (that is, gay rights), and lowering taxes all take the conservative side. I don't believe anything there is solely the view of the left.

Face it: The Tea Party is a Republican- and right-leaning movement. It's not unusual, though, for Tea Party darlings to try and convince left-leaners that it appeals to them as well, even though in most spheres it really doesn't. That's Recruitment 101.
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Without a nation of laws created by men, there would be no "rights".

Anyone would be free to anything to anyone at anytime.
Not really. What G is saying is correct. Unless you believe that the only thing stopping you from being a rapist, murderer, or pedophile is a meaningless law. Our rights are inherent, as is our freedom whether or not to recognize the rights of ourselves and others. Do unto others.
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