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Old 02-19-2014, 08:14 PM  
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Anyone Following The Protests In The Ukraine?

I've been seeing some impressive pics of protests in Kiev.


Protests against new anti-democratic laws in Ukraine are increasing in intensity, with four citizens reported dead. As you can see in these extraordinary images by Ilya Varlamov, the demonstrators are using rockets made with fireworks. They look like scenes from some science-fiction movie about urban warfare.

The latest reports talk about at least four people killed and hundreds injured by the police. After the massive protests against the government's rejection against the European Union in favor of an alliance with the former Russian oppressors, Kiev officials announced new repressive laws limiting the people's right to protest. These urban battles are the people's reaction to those laws.

Ukraine was a former Soviet Republic, created after a civil war between pro-communist and the Ukrainian People's Republic armies at the beginning of the 20th century, right after the fall of the Russian Empire. The communists won, and the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was established. In theory, it was an independent state, but in fact—like all republics in the USSR and satellite countries—it was under a tight control by the Kremlin.

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Old 02-23-2014, 08:17 PM   #136
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Oh and Prison Bitch you know those Russians in Eastern Ukraine. They haven't been there for centuries. They were relocated there by Stalin after the holodomor which killed up to seven and a half million Ukrainians.

There is very good reason why the western Ukrainians don't like Russia and the Eastern part of the country.
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Old 02-24-2014, 04:43 PM   #137
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Update on those "peaceful" protestors in Kiev:



But Andrei Levus, deputy head of the Maidan “self-defense” forces, the umbrella organization of militant activists fighting the government, knew he had reinforcements on the way. Protesters in Lviv had overrun an Interior Ministry garrison and were en route to Kiev with the captured military weapons.

“I’m reluctant to talk about this because we are protesters and not illegal armed groups,” Mr. Levus said. “But the square was about to look different. There would be more people, and they would not have had empty hands.”

Despite the dwindling of the protective fires, the protesters decided to hold on to the square long enough for both sides to consider the significance of the arrival of the weapons in the capital.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/24/wo...ions.html?_r=0
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Old 02-24-2014, 05:04 PM   #138
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Old 02-24-2014, 11:08 PM   #139
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Update on those "peaceful" protestors in Kiev:



But Andrei Levus, deputy head of the Maidan “self-defense” forces, the umbrella organization of militant activists fighting the government, knew he had reinforcements on the way. Protesters in Lviv had overrun an Interior Ministry garrison and were en route to Kiev with the captured military weapons.

“I’m reluctant to talk about this because we are protesters and not illegal armed groups,” Mr. Levus said. “But the square was about to look different. There would be more people, and they would not have had empty hands.”

Despite the dwindling of the protective fires, the protesters decided to hold on to the square long enough for both sides to consider the significance of the arrival of the weapons in the capital.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/24/wo...ions.html?_r=0
Do you want me to link you some videos of snipers wasting unarmed medics with stretchers trying to do their best to save other unarmed victims of said snipers? You're Donny from The Big Lebowski on your best day, my dude. Please stop.

Also, that's not an update. You know what else is not an update because it's old news? The fact that the same protesters are now patrolling the streets together with police officer in order to avoid any possible provocations. Oh and, BTW, the vast majority of those weapons stolen in Lviv have been returned. Obviously the criminal element is taking full advantage of the situation which is bound to happen but hopefully the remaining guns will be recovered in the end.
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Old 02-24-2014, 11:24 PM   #140
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There are tons of videos on You Tube about the protests. I've found quite a few already that are bordering on the surreal.

possibly NSFW, but just in case I'll spoiler the embed link.

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Old 02-24-2014, 11:50 PM   #141
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The brain dead students (we can just call them O-bots) don't have any clue how much more difficult they just made their lives. Ukraine gets over 1/2 it's nat gas from Russia at a cut rate contracted price. Russia isn't doing that to be nice, they expect something in return. Instead they got a full-on coup with open invites for EU and America to come get involved.


Every economy runs on cheap energy. Without exception. Putin isn't saying anything publicallh which ought to scare the Ukrainians. If he pulls the trap door on the gas for a nation already teetering on insolvency.....
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Old 02-25-2014, 12:02 AM   #142
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The brain dead students (we can just call them O-bots) don't have any clue how much more difficult they just made their lives. Ukraine gets over 1/2 it's nat gas from Russia at a cut rate contracted price. Russia isn't doing that to be nice, they expect something in return. Instead they got a full-on coup with open invites for EU and America to come get involved.


Every economy runs on cheap energy. Without exception. Putin isn't saying anything publicallh which ought to scare the Ukrainians. If he pulls the trap door on the gas for a nation already teetering on insolvency.....
Putin isn't saying anything publicly because Medvedev is. Medvedev is talking about Russian troop involvement justified by a bunch of nonsense.

As far as the gas prices go, that massively discounted price you mentioned is pretty much the standard going rate for other European countries. So Russia told Ukraine: "Hey, we're brothers so we decided to stop raping you with our old prices, but, hey, can we please park our Southern Fleet in your waters in return? Also, can you please make sure and stick to our system of endemic corruption where everything is run by the mob and everyone answers to the Godfather, Putin? There really is no reason to look to the West when everything is so perfect right here. Thanks!" How dare Ukraine be such an ingrate.
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Old 02-25-2014, 06:35 AM   #143
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Tyranny cant happen here? How about a sheriff being fired and his entire force being disbanded all because he attended a convention of law enforcement people who were there to pledge an oath to uphold the US Constitution.
Don't forget the expansion of "terrorism's" definition to include domestic terrorism which includes liberty-minded Americans. This category includes veterans but gets referred to over and over in a DHS report as "rightwing extremism." It's just one small leap from extremist, kook, loon to terrorist.
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Old 02-25-2014, 06:39 AM   #144
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Hopefully America never comes to a point of violence based on geography and political divides.
The American Civil War.
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Again, US and EU globalists are behind this. They want the Ukraine in the totalitarian EU. Goes to show why all govt's suck.
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Nope. I would view such a visit as politics as usual, and I assume they already do have opinions about who they want to win our elections or they aren't doing their jobs.
I assume it happens with some regularity.

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That video was so pathetic. Their leader is a dictator? Huh? He was democratically elected in 2010. The government is corrupt? They offered to make the opposition party leader VP (imagine Obama sacrificing Biden like that). The barbarians quashed protestors? After offering a peace agreeing which the protestors reneged on by storming Kiev like crazed animals brining the city square and refusing to peaceably assemble.


She is a joke and her movement is a joke. Do what truly free people do, and enact change at the ballot box.
Her point seems to be that they aren't truly free people at the moment.
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You honestly have no idea what you're talking about.
Your parents came from Ukraine, didn't they?
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I don't know that much about it but weren't they initially angry because they wanted Ukraine to move closer to the EU instead of Russia? From what I read the population is pretty split on that. I think the Ukranian government was probably heavy handed but there's also been shots of the protestors launching fire bombs. Just because a few thousand people organize in a square and chant slogans it doesn't mean the government is at fault, or that the protestors should be rewarded with a power change.
My understanding is that the majority of the people want a closer relationship with Europe, but that the President recognized that offending Russia would have serious, negative economic impacts in the short term (Russia would likely impose some kind of sanctions as a result, most likely involving energy) and that the resulting economic climate would make it hard for him to win re-election. The alternative was to accept $15 billion from Russia for short term relief and maintain the country's economic relationship with Russia. He was kind of between a rock and a hard place in terms of his own political self interest.
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Getting into bed with Putin probably means ceding control to him whenever he wishes to exert it. The economic aid would come with all those sorts of strings. He's in the empire business.
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