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Old 02-25-2014, 07:06 PM  
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NFL could pull Super Bowl if Arizona religious rights bill passes

Call it what you want -- anti-gay or religious rights -- but if Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs a controversial bill, you might not be calling Arizona the home of the 2015 Super Bowl.

The Religious Freedom Restoration Act, S.B. 1062, is the current controversy du jour out of Arizona, and the National Football League is with the opposition.

“Our policies emphasize tolerance and inclusiveness and prohibit discrimination based on age, gender, race, religion, sexual orientation or any other improper standard,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told USA Today. “We are following the issue in Arizona and will continue to do so should the bill be signed into law, but will decline further comment at this time.”

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The Arizona Super Bowl Host committee released a statement saying it disagreed with the bill and its impact on Arizona’s economy.

“On that matter we have heard loud and clear from our various stakeholders that adoption of this legislation would not only run contrary to that goal but deal a significant blow to the state's economic growth potential,” a committee spokesperson said. “We do not support this legislation.”

Arizona is currently slated to host the 2015 Super Bowl at Glendale’s University of Phoenix Stadium.

Opponents of the bill contend that it will allow Arizona businesses to refuse service to homosexual customers.

But, as with most bills in Congress, the attack ads have little to do with the actual legislation.

Proponents of the bill claim that no, businesses will not have carte blanche to refuse service to anyone they disagree with based on religious grounds.

Specifically, proponents claim that there is nothing in Arizona’s current laws that prevent businesses from discriminating against anyone — and yet, strangely enough, discrimination isn’t happening.

Apparently, businesses in Arizona have wanted to discriminate but have just been waiting for a bill to allow them to do so — which this bill does not. Also, what business would quietly wait to discriminate?

“Business owners do not want to deny service to gays,” the Christian Post wrote. “This is not because they fear government sanction. Rather, it is because: 1) Their religious, ethical or moral beliefs tell them it is wrong to deny service; and/or, 2) the profit motive — turning away customers is no way to run a business.”

Sounds like the opponents — and the NFL — need to take a knee.


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Old 02-25-2014, 09:36 PM   #91
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Sorry, but I guess the point is still over your head.
Chik-Fil-A is PRIVATELY owned.

And that's also NOT what happened. It's because the owners charitable foundation gave money to groups opposed to gay marriage etc.


Either way, seems like your against FREE speech too.
You're using semantics as a cop out.

The bottom line in all this is that the NFL is threatening an action that disagrees with one of your opinions so you're throwing a fit.
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Old 02-25-2014, 09:37 PM   #92
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No I didn't. Listo brought them up and I responded to it as he pointed out the NFL was an entertainment cartel, which is true. Then you got into viewers. ( consumers )
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Old 02-25-2014, 09:40 PM   #93
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Old 02-25-2014, 09:41 PM   #94
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But not for market reasons. It's for political reasons.

I've posted before that I don't care for political boycotts. I consider it bullying.
You think boycotting homosexual customers is a "market reason"?

So it's okay for businesses to boycott legit paying customers because of their stance on a morality issue, but it's not okay for a business to boycott doing business in their state because of their stance on a morality issue?

What if this was Chik Fil-A and they decided to boycott doing business in a state that legalized gay marriage. My guess is you wouldn't have the same reaction.
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Old 02-25-2014, 09:41 PM   #95
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You're using semantics as a cop out.
No you're relying on failed logic by seeing things as the same when they are not. Logic requires putting things in the same category of thing. That's where your logic fails. Has nothing to do with semantics.

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The bottom line in all this is that the NFL is threatening an action that disagrees with one of your opinions so you're throwing a fit.
The way you are throwing a fit over my wanting to debate this issue because you disagree with it. Nice pot calling kettle act there.

Notice, I started out with asking why the NFL was getting so political these days--this being just another event in a string of political events.

At least you noticed that the NFL was "threatening" an action. So much for the voluntary and free exchanges that make a free-market.
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Old 02-25-2014, 09:44 PM   #96
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You think boycotting homosexual customers is a "market reason"?
Your rhetorical question is a strawman. This wasn't even what happened in that case either. You're also hijacking.

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So it's okay for businesses to boycott legit paying customers because of their stance on a morality issue, but it's not okay for a business to boycott doing business in their state because of their stance on a morality issue?
Strawman.

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What if this was Chik Fil-A and they decided to boycott doing business in a state that legalized gay marriage. My guess is you wouldn't have the same reaction.
Strawman.
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One person isn't grassroots but I'd say that was more individual based and more free-market than this current issue.

It's still pussifying the league more though. Really, I mean to the players have to wear pink gloves too?
No, I don't believe they have to. But many actually support the sentiment and do so very willingly. Others may just be on board with trying to appeal to and attract a female audience.

Either way, you're insane.

And I'm not even big on the whole ribbon and rubber bracelet thing for every cause out there. But I can't imagine why anyone would be upset about a private business, and specifically the NFL, for doing what they're doing.
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Chiefzilla has entered to talk about something else entirely so he can argue for the sake of arguing and nothing more.
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The Super Bowl being moved out of AZ I mean.
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So I suppose all you guys supported three city mayors denying licenses to Chik-Fil-A in order to ban from doing business in their city because they disagreed with their political views too?

Sounds right. Even liberals spoke out against these actions including legal experts and the American Civil Liberties Union.

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"[D]enying a private business permits because of such speech by its owner is a blatant First Amendment violation."
Echoing those views were Glenn Greenwald of Salon, professor John Turley of George Washington University, Adam Schwartz, a senior attorney with the ACLU and Michael C. Dorf, the Robert S. Stevens Professor of Law at Cornell University Law School.

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Guess who the real discriminators and bigots are? Welcome to fascist Amerika.
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They're a business. This is actually a great way to settle this without even involving federal law. Let Arizona feel the brunt of enacting discriminatory law. Money talks, bullshit walks.
That seems like an odd position for a guy who's generally libertarian.
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Chiefzilla has entered to talk about something else entirely so he can argue for the sake of arguing and nothing more.
No, I am talking about the double standard of talking about businesses "freely" denying customers based on moral views as free market. Then talking about a business (the NFL) threatening to not do business in a state because they take a different side on a moral issue.

They are both wrong.
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That seems like an odd position for a guy who's generally libertarian.
Why? It's a law that allows discrimination. Perhaps I worded it poorly, I didn't mean that the law itself discriminated.
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I think the Arizona proposal makes sense and is an unfortunate, but necessary protection for religious people who oppose same sex marriage. I don't agree with what the NFL is supposedly trying to do here, but I recognize their right to do it.
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