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Old 02-25-2014, 08:06 PM  
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NFL could pull Super Bowl if Arizona religious rights bill passes

Call it what you want -- anti-gay or religious rights -- but if Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs a controversial bill, you might not be calling Arizona the home of the 2015 Super Bowl.

The Religious Freedom Restoration Act, S.B. 1062, is the current controversy du jour out of Arizona, and the National Football League is with the opposition.

“Our policies emphasize tolerance and inclusiveness and prohibit discrimination based on age, gender, race, religion, sexual orientation or any other improper standard,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told USA Today. “We are following the issue in Arizona and will continue to do so should the bill be signed into law, but will decline further comment at this time.”

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The Arizona Super Bowl Host committee released a statement saying it disagreed with the bill and its impact on Arizona’s economy.

“On that matter we have heard loud and clear from our various stakeholders that adoption of this legislation would not only run contrary to that goal but deal a significant blow to the state's economic growth potential,” a committee spokesperson said. “We do not support this legislation.”

Arizona is currently slated to host the 2015 Super Bowl at Glendale’s University of Phoenix Stadium.

Opponents of the bill contend that it will allow Arizona businesses to refuse service to homosexual customers.

But, as with most bills in Congress, the attack ads have little to do with the actual legislation.

Proponents of the bill claim that no, businesses will not have carte blanche to refuse service to anyone they disagree with based on religious grounds.

Specifically, proponents claim that there is nothing in Arizona’s current laws that prevent businesses from discriminating against anyone — and yet, strangely enough, discrimination isn’t happening.

Apparently, businesses in Arizona have wanted to discriminate but have just been waiting for a bill to allow them to do so — which this bill does not. Also, what business would quietly wait to discriminate?

“Business owners do not want to deny service to gays,” the Christian Post wrote. “This is not because they fear government sanction. Rather, it is because: 1) Their religious, ethical or moral beliefs tell them it is wrong to deny service; and/or, 2) the profit motive — turning away customers is no way to run a business.”

Sounds like the opponents — and the NFL — need to take a knee.


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Old 02-25-2014, 11:13 PM   #106
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Why? It's a law that allows discrimination. Perhaps I worded it poorly, I didn't mean that the law itself discriminated.
No, I took it to mean that you oppose the law because it allows discrimination (or what I'll call freedom of association and freedom of religious practice). If so, that's what I thought was odd for a libertarian.
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Old 02-25-2014, 11:14 PM   #107
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No, I am talking about the double standard of talking about businesses "freely" denying customers based on moral views as free market. Then talking about a business (the NFL) threatening to not do business in a state because they take a different side on a moral issue.

They are both wrong.
And that's not what happened regarding Chick-Fil-A. It was people boycotting CFA based on their religious views being expressed using free speech--not because they refused to serve anyone.


Regarding the NFL, it's not really a privately owned entity. So it's not apples to oranges when comparing to CFA. And this is no longer a moral issue but a political one--another one of the many the NFL is getting involved in as they are falling into line with the Cultural Marxists.

Regarding something being "wrong" that's a matter of opinion here.
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Old 02-25-2014, 11:15 PM   #108
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I think the Arizona proposal makes sense and is an unfortunate, but necessary protection for religious people who oppose same sex marriage. I don't agree with what the NFL is supposedly trying to do here, but I recognize their right to do it.
Even if I disagree that the AZ proposal makes sense, you're absolutely right here.
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Old 02-25-2014, 11:19 PM   #109
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No, I took it to mean that you oppose the law because it allows discrimination (or what I'll call freedom of association and freedom of religious practice). If so, that's what I thought was odd for a libertarian.
It isn't typically libertarian. It's more to the progressive-left stand on the issue.
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Old 02-25-2014, 11:22 PM   #110
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Why? It's a law that allows discrimination.
What is wrong with that? Libertarians support the right to discriminate and freedom to practice one's religion.

If a Christian photographer does not want to take a gig photographing a gay wedding, he has the right to refuse it. There's others who would be willing to do it.
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I think the Arizona proposal makes sense and is an unfortunate, but necessary protection for religious people who oppose same sex marriage. I don't agree with what the NFL is supposedly trying to do here, but I recognize their right to do it.
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SB 1062 is a short and simple bill that protected the religious liberties of Arizonans, and nothing more. It merely updated existing state law to better match federal RFRA law. And both Arizona and federal laws have been dealing with this issue since 1999. Yet the liberal opponents of the bill followed their old SB1070 playbook and ignored what the bill says and does so they could make up scary and dishonest claims about it.
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Old 02-25-2014, 11:46 PM   #112
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No, I took it to mean that you oppose the law because it allows discrimination (or what I'll call freedom of association and freedom of religious practice). If so, that's what I thought was odd for a libertarian.
I don't agree with the bill. I'm not a lawyer, but it seems to me the bill would allow exemption from any serious law based on a conflict with religious beliefs. It's too far reaching. I would say that the Mormons have a shot of relocating to Arizona and getting back to polygamy if the bill becomes law, for instance.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/51leg/2r/bills/sb1062s.pdf

Be that as it may, it does legalize discrimination and Arizona is feeling the heat for it. From the private sector. Without involving federal law, or any authority other than the all mighty dollar. I'm amazed that any Conservative would be upset over this.
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Be that as it may, it does legalize discrimination and Arizona is feeling the heat for it.
How is reinforcing religious freedom "legalizing discrimination?"

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From the private sector. Without involving federal law, or any authority other than the all mighty dollar. I'm amazed that any Conservative would be upset over this.
I just proved how the NFL is not really a private sector organization but an adjunct of the govt. It's funded with taxpayer money and gets privileges from govt no other private sector business gets. So they are subject to political and govt control. So, the govt makes the NFL get it's mind right.

Based on what I am looking up tonight, the NFL is acting more and more like an arm of the govt. For example they used taxpayer for the 2012 Super Bowl champs promote Obamacare on television, radio, the team’s official website, in its newsletter and in social media for $130,000.Sportcasters acting like they part of the gun control lobby and DHS relocation drills in NFL stadiums.

It's alienating fans too.
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It isn't typically libertarian. It's more to the progressive-left stand on the issue.
It's simply progressive. I've mentioned before that I do agree with some progressive ideas. For instance I accept the Civil Rights Act of 1964 as a tool meant to combat centuries of institutional racism in our country.
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How is reinforcing religious freedom "legalizing discrimination?"
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I just proved how the NFL is not really a private sector organization but an adjunct of the govt. It's funded with taxpayer money and gets privileges from govt no other private sector business gets. So they are subject to political and govt control. So, the govt makes the NFL get it's mind right.

Based on what I am looking up tonight, the NFL is acting more and more like an arm of the govt. For example they used taxpayer for the 2012 Super Bowl champs promote Obamacare on television, radio, the team’s official website, in its newsletter and in social media for $130,000.Sportcasters acting like they part of the gun control lobby and DHS relocation drills in NFL stadiums.

It's alienating fans too.
The NFL is a cartel, as I have already stated. While you are focusing on looking for connections between the NFL and the government you are ignoring the group of businesses (other than the NFL) who are opposed to the bill.
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Well here's an interesting tidbit about Goodell. He's the son of a senator. Explains a lot.
Nobody would confuse NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell for the late French emperor, but the metaphor is still useful. Goodell, the son of a former U.S. senator, took over the league in 2006 after spending his entire career as a faceless bureaucrat. Goodell’s predecessor, Paul Tagliabue, was a reserved figure who largely avoided the limelight during his 17-year tenure. In contrast, Goodell has made himself the center of media and public attention. He’s determined to spread the NFL’s reach on a global scale, not to mention his own authority to control the lives of its employees.

The hallmark of Goodell’s administration has been his efforts to construct an internal judicial system along the lines of a federal regulatory agency. Indeed, the title of “commissioner” befits a quasi-governmental entity rather than a corporate or trade association CEO. Like the Federal Trade Commission, Goodell is empowered to act as prosecutor, judge, jury and appeals court over any perceived infraction of the league’s complex governing documents.

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Many libertarians don’t like to question the decisions of “private” businesses. Yet little about the NFL is private or compatible with free markets. Most of the league’s stadiums are heavily subsidized by state and municipal governments. The NFL enjoys special tax and antitrust privileges. And a good deal of the league’s revenue and political authority is derived from intellectual property.

More importantly, there’s a clear cultural alignment of the NFL towards the state and its institutions. For example, Goodell recently announced the NFL would donate $30 million to the government-run National Institutes of Health to study “serious medical conditions prominent in athletes and relevant to the general population.” Goodell noted this wasn’t just about helping current and former players — many of whom are now suing the league over brain damage they suffered during the careers — but this research would also help the military, which of course is one of the few occupations even more dangerous than professional football.

From: The Statist Bureaucracy Called Pro Football
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That's not an answer to a question. I asked you a question.

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The NFL is a cartel, as I have already stated. While you are focusing on looking for connections between the NFL and the government you are ignoring the group of businesses (other than the NFL) who are opposed to the bill.
Ignoring can only be claimed if I saw something about them. I didn't.

I've posted before in this thread and before this thread, I don't support political boycotts usually. But if they want to it's a their free speech rights.
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I finally know why you post as you do. You don't really understand certain concepts. Then again, you're not in the liberty camp but the statist camp so I understand it's hard to comprehend them.
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It's simply progressive. I've mentioned before that I do agree with some progressive ideas. For instance I accept the Civil Rights Act of 1964 as a tool meant to combat centuries of institutional racism in our country.
Progressive-left as in a statist solution.
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