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Old 02-25-2014, 08:06 PM  
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NFL could pull Super Bowl if Arizona religious rights bill passes

Call it what you want -- anti-gay or religious rights -- but if Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs a controversial bill, you might not be calling Arizona the home of the 2015 Super Bowl.

The Religious Freedom Restoration Act, S.B. 1062, is the current controversy du jour out of Arizona, and the National Football League is with the opposition.

“Our policies emphasize tolerance and inclusiveness and prohibit discrimination based on age, gender, race, religion, sexual orientation or any other improper standard,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told USA Today. “We are following the issue in Arizona and will continue to do so should the bill be signed into law, but will decline further comment at this time.”

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The Arizona Super Bowl Host committee released a statement saying it disagreed with the bill and its impact on Arizona’s economy.

“On that matter we have heard loud and clear from our various stakeholders that adoption of this legislation would not only run contrary to that goal but deal a significant blow to the state's economic growth potential,” a committee spokesperson said. “We do not support this legislation.”

Arizona is currently slated to host the 2015 Super Bowl at Glendale’s University of Phoenix Stadium.

Opponents of the bill contend that it will allow Arizona businesses to refuse service to homosexual customers.

But, as with most bills in Congress, the attack ads have little to do with the actual legislation.

Proponents of the bill claim that no, businesses will not have carte blanche to refuse service to anyone they disagree with based on religious grounds.

Specifically, proponents claim that there is nothing in Arizona’s current laws that prevent businesses from discriminating against anyone — and yet, strangely enough, discrimination isn’t happening.

Apparently, businesses in Arizona have wanted to discriminate but have just been waiting for a bill to allow them to do so — which this bill does not. Also, what business would quietly wait to discriminate?

“Business owners do not want to deny service to gays,” the Christian Post wrote. “This is not because they fear government sanction. Rather, it is because: 1) Their religious, ethical or moral beliefs tell them it is wrong to deny service; and/or, 2) the profit motive — turning away customers is no way to run a business.”

Sounds like the opponents — and the NFL — need to take a knee.


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Old 02-26-2014, 10:55 AM   #166
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Old 02-26-2014, 10:57 AM   #167
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Yeah, this has been an entertaining BEP beatdown.
It's only a beatdown if the person feels beaten. I don't feel that way. I have my opinion on the matter, I communicated it and I stand by it.

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IIRC, she used to be a pretty hardcore catholic, so maybe those old feelings of homosexuality being a sin still pull deep seeded strings.
Never heard a "bleep" about homosexuality at home, in church or in parochial school--evah! Hardcore though? I don't think so. We pretty much fit in with the rest of the town. My guess is since you lean left, any religious belief/practice would be hardcore to you.

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Maybe she's just homophobic, who knows. I'll but that over the NFL playing politics. Brock pretty much summed that up earlier.
Whoosh! The point is over your head. That must be why I allowed a HS pal who came out as gay to be a roomate of mine huh?

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However, props to her for not dropping some "MAH RELIGIOUS FREEDOMS!" horseshit (not that she would, just saying...).
Well, this matter is about religious freedom. It's about a law being passed to protect that fundamental right.
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Old 02-26-2014, 11:04 AM   #168
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I think that's already happened. I recall reading about an incident but it was in Canada. It was some clergyman arrested for hate speech or something like that. And that was more than ten years ago. Wonder if I could find it again.
Here it is, or it's another one as I remember it earlier than 2008. It was a clergy arrest for views on homosexuality. This will suffice for the same point:


Fr. Alphonse de Valk, a Basilian priest and pro-life activist known throughout Canada for his orthodoxy, is currently being investigated by the Canadian Human Rights Commission (CHRC) — a quasi-judicial investigative body with the power of the Canadian government behind it. The CHRC is using section 13 of Canada’s Human Rights Act to investigate the priest. This is a section under which no defendant has ever won once the allegation has gone to tribunal — the next stage of the process.

Most defendants end up paying thousands of dollars in fines and compensation. This is in addition to various court costs. Moreover, defendants are responsible for their own legal defense. In contrast, the commission provides free legal assistance to the complainant.

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Old 02-26-2014, 11:09 AM   #169
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This is exactly what a free market looks like.

Arizona takes a controversial stand, NFL weighs the impact on its business and makes a business decision. Arizona feels the economic heat.

The tide of public opinion has turned, especially among young people who the NFL most wants to court.
Young people aren't flocking to the Super Bowl because they can't afford it. NFL needs to shut it's mouth and worry about putting a better product on the field.
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Old 02-26-2014, 11:11 AM   #170
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we will see how much the NFL really cares about the homosexual agenda when/if Sam makes the NFL and how they manage it. They really don't care, they are just making noise I believe. It's what in vogue right now.
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Old 02-26-2014, 11:12 AM   #171
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What is sad is that religious freedom is considered "a controversial stand!"
This is happening in America!
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Old 02-26-2014, 11:14 AM   #172
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What do you care what a private business does, as long as it is legal, regardless of the motivation. That's your whole philosophy on everything--let people/businesses alone to act as they wish. If the NFL decides it doesn't want to be associated with AZ, why should you care?
So the religious Cake Baker shouldn't have been forced to bake a cake for a Gay wedding right. If a Baker doesn't want to be associated with the Gay, why should you care?
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So the religious Cake Baker shouldn't have been forced to bake a cake for a Gay wedding right. If a Baker doesn't want to be associated with the Gay, why should you care?
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Well, now that I see a quote posted by someone of cosmos....I have to respond:

The NFL is not private enterprise. It's corporatism. It relies on taxpayer subsidies and get granted privileges via govt--that no other business has. To claim it as private is a scam.

Did you miss reading my posts earlier cosmos? Or is it your strawman issue? Quit re-framing my argument.
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This thread shows how phony BEP's act really is. She's against the Civil Rights Act and ok with businesses being able to refuse service to black customers--because that should be their right to make such decisions.

But for some reason, she's upset the NFL might decide it doesn't want to be associated with AZ. This is really about her personal feelings rather than any political and economic philosophy she claims to believe in based on principle.
Where did BEP say she's against the Civil Rights Act? It was Democrats in Congress that overwhelmingly voted against it including Al Gore's dad.
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Has anyone seen this law? I used the numbers and name from one of the links but I got nothing. It was late though, so I didn't pursue for long.
There's a link in the listo quote in post 147. I assume that's the law in question.
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They're a business. This is actually a great way to settle this without even involving federal law. Let Arizona feel the brunt of enacting discriminatory law. Money talks, bullshit walks.
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Where did BEP say she's against the Civil Rights Act? It was Democrats in Congress that overwhelmingly voted against it including Al Gore's dad.
There are some old, old threads one back as far as 2006 about the incorporation doctrine and the 14th Amendment destroying the federalist structure of our original govt using the long arm of the federal govt on certain issues. Civil Rights was one. However, he wasn't here then. So he is likely putting a twist on it, cherry-picking parts among other mis characterizations, because I also have posted that the 14th Amendment was written for black people as one of the first civil rights amendments. Also, what I have posted in the past, is that it was southern state's that made businesses segregate, but it was businesses who didn't want to. Anyhow, it's a much longer, detailed debate than cosmos is making it out to be. Including that boycotts acts of speech and consumer activism than a true free-market choice.
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Precisely. It's the market in action.
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The Chik-Fil-A CEO ignited the original firestorm by coming out and making anti gay comments. Many people during the controversy said that Chik-Fil-A should stay out of the political arena and keep their political opinions to themselves. Were you one of those people at that time? Like you're doing here with the NFL? I'm just trying verify your consistency here.
The owner was on a Christian program and was asked about his faith and his views on marriage. He said he believes in traditional marriage between a man and a woman. That's not "anti gay".
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