Chiefs "The way it looks now back-up Geoff Schwartz ... will likely sign elsewhere." - Page 13

**RealSNR** · 02-28-2014, 03:16 PM

Who's the last guard the Chiefs drafted who turned out to be not a turd?

Will Shields.

Guards are easier to find than other positions in the late rounds, but that doesn't mean you should get rid of both RGs and replace them with unproven UDFAs from last year or a late round pick. That's not a smart decision.

**BigMeatballDave** · 02-28-2014, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Who's the last guard the Chiefs drafted who turned out to be not a turd?

Will Shields.
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Brandon Albert

**The Franchise** · 02-28-2014, 03:55 PM

He allowed 6 sacks....when Jimmy Clausen was their starting QB.....as a rookie. JFC....burn him at the stake.

**RealSNR** · 02-28-2014, 03:57 PM

For the record, I'm not against re-signing Asamoah if we're really going to stick with ZBS.

We have little information about Dorsey's intentions as far as any of our potential free agents are concerned. Only thing we've heard thus far from his mouth is that he's in talks with Albert's people (like that will ever happen) and now this rumor about Schwartz.

In the meantime, though, let's not rely on a rookie.

booger · 02-28-2014, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

For the record, I'm not against re-signing Asamoah if we're really going to stick with ZBS.

We have little information about Dorsey's intentions as far as any of our potential free agents are concerned. Only thing we've heard thus far from his mouth is that he's in talks with Albert's people (like that will ever happen) and now this rumor about Schwartz.

In the meantime, though, let's not rely on a rookie.

agree completely with all but especially bolded. Another 22-23 yr old is gonna make mistakes now matter how talented. This line doesn't need to get any younger

Mr. Laz · 02-28-2014, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by booger

agree completely with all but especially bolded. Another 22-23 yr old is gonna make mistakes now matter how talented. This line doesn't need to get any younger

Eric Fisher sucks

booger · 02-28-2014, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Eric Fisher sucks

I wasn't talking about Fisher. I was talking about the few arguing that adding another High pic to an already really young OL is somehow a good idea

Mr. Laz · 02-28-2014, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by booger

I wasn't talking about Fisher. I was talking about the few arguing that adding another High pic to an already really young OL is somehow a good idea

My point was that many people didn't give Fisher the benefit of 'young players are going to make mistakes regardless of talent'

It fit their agenda to declare that Fisher sucks ... many continue to do so tbh.

it was just funny hearing somebody talk about young guys and mistakes is all.

**ShortRoundChief** · 02-28-2014, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Eric Fisher sucks

Delusional sucks.

Sorter · 02-28-2014, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

For the record, I'm not against re-signing Asamoah if we're really going to stick with ZBS.

We have little information about Dorsey's intentions as far as any of our potential free agents are concerned. Only thing we've heard thus far from his mouth is that he's in talks with Albert's people (like that will ever happen) and now this rumor about Schwartz.

In the meantime, though, let's not rely on a rookie.

I would try to resign Jon.

**ShortRoundChief** · 02-28-2014, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

I would try to resign Jon.

Jon was either here or there but never consistent. Frustrating at times.

booger · 02-28-2014, 06:20 PM

If Kush were to win the C job, assuming he's ready which is a big assumption based on only the SD game, shift Hudson to LG where he thrived at FSU. Allen played both T spots as they where a strong/weak team who flipped their OL instead of a Right and left. Plus he's got enough arm length to play OT. I also wouldn't mind them dangling him for a pic but I doubt they could get one high enough to justify trading him.

**RealSNR** · 02-28-2014, 06:53 PM

We've got options, sure, but none of them are very secure, nor can you know the results until preseason play, when the draft and most of the quality veterans have been signed by other teams.

It would really be lovely if Rishaw Johnson and Eric Kush were legitimately the same players we saw against San Diego. There's just no way to tell, however, and if I'm banking on those guys in a year where the team is making a serious push for the division title and some noise in the playoffs, that's a bad bet.

Teams usually unearth special talent when it shows up because of injury or when they drastically outperform the starters in training camp. You don't often see legitimate playoff teams take 6th round centers and undrafted rookie guards from the previous season and just hand them a job because they showed a lot of promise on the scout team and in one game.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 02-28-2014, 07:38 PM

#Chiefs meet with guard @geoffschwartz’s agent during combine, but the two sides may not agree on money: http://t.co/iqA8SBbumq
— Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) March 1, 2014

Chiefs meet with guard Geoff Schwartz’s agent during combine
February 28
BY TEREZ A. PAYLOR
The Kansas City Star

“Geoff Schwartz loved it in Kansas City and would love to come back in Kansas City,” Deryk Gilmore said. “It’s just that he wants to be wanted, and hopefully Kansas City wants him. He’s a starter and he wants to be paid like a starter.”

Despite starting only eight games last season, the 6-foot-6, 340-pound Schwartz posted a plus-18.6 Pro Football Focus grade, the highest any Chiefs offensive lineman, and was rated as the site’s top free-agent guard. He was playing on a one-year, $700,000 contract.

Gilmore refused to specify the terms he’s seeking, but similar players who hit the market at Schwartz’s position last offseason signed multi-year deals.

Andy Levitre, Pro Football Focus’ No. 2 free-agent guard in 2012 with a grade of plus-17.3, signed a multi-year deal with Tennessee that paid him a base salary of $2.5 million last season and $6.5 million this year.

The No. 4 guard, Louis Vasquez of Denver (plus-12.7), signed for base salaries of $2 million in 2013 and $3 million in 2014. The No. 5 guard, Donald Thomas (plus-11.2), signed with Indianapolis for base salaries of $2.5 million in 2013 and $3.5 million in 2014.

Those are hardly prohibitive salaries in today’s NFL, but as it stands, the Chiefs will need to free up cap room to be a player in free agency. The league has set the 2014 salary cap at $133 million, which should give the Chiefs roughly $9.62 million in cap space, according to salary cap expert Joel Corry.

However, the Chiefs must also fit upcoming draft picks under the cap — which will take roughly $5.5 million, according to Corry — and it remains to be seen if they’re willing to pay what it might take to retain Schwartz.

Schwartz, 28, just completed his sixth year. He took over as the Chiefs’ right guard in Week 12 because of an injury to Jon Asamoah, starting five of the next six games, only resting for the Week 17 game against San Diego. Schwartz showed his versatility in that game, however, as he played right tackle.

He played in 14 games total last season, including three at left guard, where he also made one start.

Free agency begins league-wide on March 11, but teams can negotiate with their own free agents until then.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/28...#storylink=cpy

O.city · 02-28-2014, 07:41 PM

Can't keep everyone I guess.

But damn, some of these high contract guys we have better start playing a shit ton better.

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RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $-1644792	For the record, I'm not against re-signing Asamoah if we're really going to stick with ZBS. We have little information about Dorsey's intentions as far as any of our potential free agents are concerned. Only thing we've heard thus far from his mouth is that he's in talks with Albert's people (like that will ever happen) and now this rumor about Schwartz. In the meantime, though, let's not rely on a rookie.
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RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $-1644792	We've got options, sure, but none of them are very secure, nor can you know the results until preseason play, when the draft and most of the quality veterans have been signed by other teams. It would really be lovely if Rishaw Johnson and Eric Kush were legitimately the same players we saw against San Diego. There's just no way to tell, however, and if I'm banking on those guys in a year where the team is making a serious push for the division title and some noise in the playoffs, that's a bad bet. Teams usually unearth special talent when it shows up because of injury or when they drastically outperform the starters in training camp. You don't often see legitimate playoff teams take 6th round centers and undrafted rookie guards from the previous season and just hand them a job because they showed a lot of promise on the scout team and in one game.
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02-28-2014, 07:38 PM	#14
ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1136009	#Chiefs meet with guard @geoffschwartz’s agent during combine, but the two sides may not agree on money: http://t.co/iqA8SBbumq — Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) March 1, 2014 Chiefs meet with guard Geoff Schwartz’s agent during combine February 28 BY TEREZ A. PAYLOR The Kansas City Star “Geoff Schwartz loved it in Kansas City and would love to come back in Kansas City,” Deryk Gilmore said. “It’s just that he wants to be wanted, and hopefully Kansas City wants him. He’s a starter and he wants to be paid like a starter.” Despite starting only eight games last season, the 6-foot-6, 340-pound Schwartz posted a plus-18.6 Pro Football Focus grade, the highest any Chiefs offensive lineman, and was rated as the site’s top free-agent guard. He was playing on a one-year, $700,000 contract. Gilmore refused to specify the terms he’s seeking, but similar players who hit the market at Schwartz’s position last offseason signed multi-year deals. Andy Levitre, Pro Football Focus’ No. 2 free-agent guard in 2012 with a grade of plus-17.3, signed a multi-year deal with Tennessee that paid him a base salary of $2.5 million last season and $6.5 million this year. The No. 4 guard, Louis Vasquez of Denver (plus-12.7), signed for base salaries of $2 million in 2013 and $3 million in 2014. The No. 5 guard, Donald Thomas (plus-11.2), signed with Indianapolis for base salaries of $2.5 million in 2013 and $3.5 million in 2014. Those are hardly prohibitive salaries in today’s NFL, but as it stands, the Chiefs will need to free up cap room to be a player in free agency. The league has set the 2014 salary cap at $133 million, which should give the Chiefs roughly $9.62 million in cap space, according to salary cap expert Joel Corry. However, the Chiefs must also fit upcoming draft picks under the cap — which will take roughly $5.5 million, according to Corry — and it remains to be seen if they’re willing to pay what it might take to retain Schwartz. Schwartz, 28, just completed his sixth year. He took over as the Chiefs’ right guard in Week 12 because of an injury to Jon Asamoah, starting five of the next six games, only resting for the Week 17 game against San Diego. Schwartz showed his versatility in that game, however, as he played right tackle. He played in 14 games total last season, including three at left guard, where he also made one start. Free agency begins league-wide on March 11, but teams can negotiate with their own free agents until then. Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/28...#storylink=cpy
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