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Old 02-19-2014, 09:14 PM  
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Anyone Following The Protests In The Ukraine?

I've been seeing some impressive pics of protests in Kiev.


Protests against new anti-democratic laws in Ukraine are increasing in intensity, with four citizens reported dead. As you can see in these extraordinary images by Ilya Varlamov, the demonstrators are using rockets made with fireworks. They look like scenes from some science-fiction movie about urban warfare.

The latest reports talk about at least four people killed and hundreds injured by the police. After the massive protests against the government's rejection against the European Union in favor of an alliance with the former Russian oppressors, Kiev officials announced new repressive laws limiting the people's right to protest. These urban battles are the people's reaction to those laws.

Ukraine was a former Soviet Republic, created after a civil war between pro-communist and the Ukrainian People's Republic armies at the beginning of the 20th century, right after the fall of the Russian Empire. The communists won, and the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was established. In theory, it was an independent state, but in fact—like all republics in the USSR and satellite countries—it was under a tight control by the Kremlin.

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Old 02-26-2014, 05:58 PM   #196
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Oooooh, that's rich coming from the USA.
Well he didn't say that he expected outside actors from beyond the region to respect Ukraine's sovereignty.
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Old 02-26-2014, 06:00 PM   #197
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Yes, I saw you're completely baseless speculation, but I ignored it because it was completely baseless.



Shouldn't you be minding your own business instead of expressing an opinion about Ukraine based on your own standards?
No because my opinion is to leave them alone. I'm criticizing the outside meddlers.
I'm also not calling for any intervention.
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Old 02-26-2014, 06:02 PM   #198
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Well he didn't say that he expected outside actors from beyond the region to respect Ukraine's sovereignty.
Touche. I would like to ask what it means "in support of unity, peace and an inclusive path forward." They just overthrew their democracy in a coup. And overturned the election choice of the majority of voters particularly in the eastern portion.



NOW they want unity peace and inclusiveness??????
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Old 02-26-2014, 06:02 PM   #199
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I can't imagine Putin out-and-out sending columns of tanks into a neighboring country. That's warmongering on an epic scale, would galvanize the entire free world - including large swaths of his own country - against him, and he's not that dumb.

No, this is to remind the embryonic Nouveau Ukrainian government that's forming tomorrow that he could.
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Old 02-26-2014, 06:07 PM   #200
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Touche. I would like to ask what it means "in support of unity, peace and an inclusive path forward." They just overthrew their democracy in a coup. And overturned the election choice of the majority of voters particularly in the eastern portion.



NOW they want unity peace and inclusiveness??????
I think the bullshit is flying fast and furious (on all sides) now that the fighting seems to be over. Lots of positioning going on. It does kind of crack me up that Bulatov brought up transparency. Who does he think he is, Barackski Obamasov?
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Old 02-26-2014, 06:09 PM   #201
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Bolton isn't a neocon.
Yes he is. Here he is featured as a scholar at AEI.

http://www.amazon.com/Dancing-Devil-.../dp/159403723X

I see Bolton, talk all the time on Fox and he is always calling for some military action. He's an uber NeoCon, one of the worst of the bunch. Surprised he didn't want to strike Syria...but maybe that had to do with it being under Obama.

Here's a Bolton quote:
We killed tens of thousands of American citizens – maybe hundreds of thousands – with no due process whatever in the Civil War. And it was the right thing to do.

http://www.dailypaul.com/297859/even...-bombing-syria
As to my speculation about Rubin being baseless, it was later verified by looking up his book at amazon and seeing some of what he said. Plus he keeps pushing for regime change in Iran. That's enough.
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Old 02-26-2014, 06:19 PM   #202
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I can't imagine Putin out-and-out sending columns of tanks into a neighboring country. That's warmongering on an epic scale, would galvanize the entire free world - including large swaths of his own country - against him, and he's not that dumb.

No, this is to remind the embryonic Nouveau Ukrainian government that's forming tomorrow that he could.
Georgia agrees, could never happen.
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Old 02-26-2014, 06:20 PM   #203
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Bolton isn't a neocon.

You saying Bolton isn't a neocon is like BEP says some staunch conservative is actually a liberal.
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Old 02-26-2014, 06:20 PM   #204
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Bolton has wanted to bomb Iran yesterday eventhough it would spark a wider war--but in his words, paraphrased, the costs are worth it. He really is a dangerous man.
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Old 02-26-2014, 06:28 PM   #205
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No because my opinion is to leave them alone. I'm criticizing the outside meddlers.
I'm also not calling for any intervention.
Rubin isn't an outside meddler. He's a guy with an opinion just like you.
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Rubin isn't an outside meddler. He's a guy with an opinion just like you.
just like HER?

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I think the bullshit is flying fast and furious (on all sides) now that the fighting seems to be over. Lots of positioning going on. It does kind of crack me up that Bulatov brought up transparency. Who does he think he is, Barackski Obamasov?
It's like Ann Coulter says about liberals: they fight and fight to change the law, and if they are successful the moment it passes....settled law! No going back! Same here with the protestors. Violence and violence and violence until....peace! And no going back either dammit.
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Old 02-26-2014, 06:51 PM   #208
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Yes he is. Here he is featured as a scholar at AEI.

http://www.amazon.com/Dancing-Devil-.../dp/159403723X

I see Bolton, talk all the time on Fox and he is always calling for some military action. He's an uber NeoCon, one of the worst of the bunch. Surprised he didn't want to strike Syria...but maybe that had to do with it being under Obama.

Here's a Bolton quote:
We killed tens of thousands of American citizens – maybe hundreds of thousands – with no due process whatever in the Civil War. And it was the right thing to do.

http://www.dailypaul.com/297859/even...-bombing-syria
As to my speculation about Rubin being baseless, it was later verified by looking up his book at amazon and seeing some of what he said. Plus he keeps pushing for regime change in Iran. That's enough.
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You saying Bolton isn't a neocon is like BEP says some staunch conservative is actually a liberal.
The definition of neocon has been distorted and warped to the point of uselessness. But to the extent it has any remaining meaning, it applies to proponents of an assertive foreign policy aimed at spreading democracy. John Bolton rejects the neoconservative label, in part, because he's a lifelong conservative who abhorred the liberals of the 60s and 70s when he attended Yale. There's nothing neo about his conservatism. His hawkishness is based on his view of American interests not on the neoconservative ideal of spreading democracy. He's as likely to support a pro-American dictator as he is to support a democracy movement. He's more like Dick Cheney than Paul Wolfowitz or Irving Kristol. He's more realpolitik than idealist.
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Old 02-26-2014, 07:17 PM   #209
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Georgia agrees, could never happen.
The world is paying a lot more attention to Ukraine. Ukraine also is much more affiliated with the west, is not currently bombing the living shit out of one of its own regions, and has a ton more money than Georgia. Plus, it's a week after Putin's hometown Olympics.

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Russia flexes military muscle as tensions rise in Ukraine's Crimea region

By Laura Smith-Spark. Phil Black and Frederik Pleitgen, CNN
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Kiev, Ukraine (CNN) -- Russia ordered surprise military exercises on Ukraine's doorstep Wednesday as tensions in that country's southern Crimea region simmered, with pro-Russian demonstrators facing off against rival protesters in the city of Simferopol.

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