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Old 02-19-2014, 08:14 PM  
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Anyone Following The Protests In The Ukraine?

I've been seeing some impressive pics of protests in Kiev.


Protests against new anti-democratic laws in Ukraine are increasing in intensity, with four citizens reported dead. As you can see in these extraordinary images by Ilya Varlamov, the demonstrators are using rockets made with fireworks. They look like scenes from some science-fiction movie about urban warfare.

The latest reports talk about at least four people killed and hundreds injured by the police. After the massive protests against the government's rejection against the European Union in favor of an alliance with the former Russian oppressors, Kiev officials announced new repressive laws limiting the people's right to protest. These urban battles are the people's reaction to those laws.

Ukraine was a former Soviet Republic, created after a civil war between pro-communist and the Ukrainian People's Republic armies at the beginning of the 20th century, right after the fall of the Russian Empire. The communists won, and the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was established. In theory, it was an independent state, but in fact—like all republics in the USSR and satellite countries—it was under a tight control by the Kremlin.

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Old 02-28-2014, 03:12 PM   #241
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That's not really relevant because American taxpayers have no vested interest in Ukraine.
You're confused.
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Old 02-28-2014, 03:13 PM   #242
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Sergeyev said Russian "groupies" in Crimea are challenging Ukraine's national authority.
Lulz, there will never be a point where comments like this aren't just dripping with irony.
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Old 02-28-2014, 03:34 PM   #243
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Getting into bed with Putin probably means ceding control to him whenever he wishes to exert it. The economic aid would come with all those sorts of strings. He's in the empire business.
So are some of our politicians and their pundits. If you recall, there was a Krauthammer article boasting that we're an empire now.

This is about competing empires. Reminds me of WWI.
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Old 02-28-2014, 03:50 PM   #244
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"After the Russian army invaded the nation of Georgia, Senator Obama's reaction was one of indecision and moral equivalence the kind of response that would only encourage Russia's Putin to invade Ukraine next,"
HAHAHA, when you get punked by Sarah Palin you know something is seriously wrong.
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Old 02-28-2014, 03:53 PM   #245
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HAHAHA, when you get punked by Sarah Palin you know something is seriously wrong.
Obama also acted like a 9 year old in the debate with Romney saying "the 80s called" regarding romneys point about Russia and Putin being big foreign policy problems. It's amazing anyone voted for this assclown
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Old 02-28-2014, 03:59 PM   #246
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Obama also acted like a 9 year old in the debate with Romney saying "the 80s called" regarding romneys point about Russia and Putin being big foreign policy problems. It's amazing anyone voted for this assclown
Short attention span theater.
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Old 02-28-2014, 04:34 PM   #247
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Obammy said Putin better not do stuff or else
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Old 02-28-2014, 06:18 PM   #248
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Nothing to be concerned about in Crimea. Yes, the Russians are there, but it's not an invasion, it's an "uncontested arrival" according to the Obama administration.
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From Sploid (Gizmodo):

"This is pretty damn scary but, according to local media, this video allegedly shows about ten Russian attack Mi- 24 Hind helicopters entering Ukrainian air space through Crimea, the autonomous Ukrainian republic where 58.5-percent of the population are ethnic Russians.

Ukraine's government says that 2,000 Russian soldiers have already invaded their territory as the tension keeps increasing.

Update: The Daily Beast claims that the 2,000 Russian soldiers are part of a Russian "private military force," not actual soldiers from the Russian Army. Other people are saying that these are disguised Russian special forces.
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Old 02-28-2014, 07:47 PM   #251
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Lets hope these forces "respect democracy", handle their complaints via their representatives, and respect top leaders voted in by the citizens. You know, like the protestors in Kiev.
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Ukraine says Russia follows pre-Georgia war scenario in Crimea

Feb 28 (Reuters) - Ukraine's acting president accused Russia of open aggression on Friday and said it was provoking his country in the same way as it had Georgia before going to war in 2008.

Urging President Vladimir Putin to stop "provocations" in Ukraine's Russian-speaking Crimea, Oleksander Turchinov recalled Russia's intervention in Georgia over breakaway Abkhazia and South Ossetia, which have large ethnic Russian populations.

Russia's Black Sea fleet has a base in the Crimean port city of Sevastopol.

"Russia has sent forces into Crimea ... they are working on scenarios which are fully analogous with Abkhazia, when having initiated a military conflict, they started to annex the territory," Turchinov said in televised comments.

The war with Georgia lasted five days and Russia remains in control of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, although the United Nations and most countries regard them as still part of Georgia.

"The Ukrainian army will fulfil its obligations but it will not give in to provocations," Turchinov said, adding that he thought the situation would soon be resolved.

"I am personally appealing to President Putin, demanding an end to the provocation and the withdrawal of troops from the Republic of Crimea."

Tensions have increased in Crimea since the ouster of Russian-backed President Viktor Yanukovich, following three months of protests in the national capital Kiev.

Armed men seized two airports in Crimea earlier on Friday and the country's main telecommunications company said landlines and some Internet services were down after fibre optic cables were tampered with.

Some witnesses reported seeing Russian armoured personnel carriers and helicopters, and at least one Russian warship on patrol, although Moscow denied deploying its forces in Crimea.

A representative of Turchinov in Crimea said 13 Russian aircraft had landed on the Black Sea peninsula, and each one had up to 150 personnel on board.

A Reuters correspondent saw at least 20 men wearing the uniform of Russia's Black Sea fleet and carrying automatic rifles surround a Ukrainian border guard post near Sevastopol.

The identity of armed groups that occupied the regional parliament in Crimea and the two airports was not immediately known. Ukrainian officials accused them of being commanded by the Kremlin but Moscow dismissed this.

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Old 02-28-2014, 07:57 PM   #253
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"This is pretty damn scary but, according to local media, this video allegedly shows about ten Russian attack Mi- 24 Hind helicopters entering Ukrainian air space through Crimea, the autonomous Ukrainian republic where 58.5-percent of the population are ethnic Russians.
saw another version of the same thing a few hours ago but, no way to confirm if it's actually where and when the title and date on the video suggest. here it is anyways.

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This is another video. We can't know if these videos are authentic. They seem to be:

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Old 02-28-2014, 08:46 PM   #255
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A few people are saying that these troops and equipment were already there. That they aren't moving in, just moving around. The idea being that Crimea is so pro-Russia that these pics/videos are from existing forward bases that were accepted, even wanted, by the people in the region.
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