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Old 03-05-2014, 07:21 AM  
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Another $1.8Billion. Just to run a website. For a year

This provides not one doctor, one pill, one anything. Could this entire fiasco be more ****ed up?





WASHINGTON — President Obama’s top health officials said Tuesday they expect Congress to front the money needed to fund Obamacare’s federal marketplace in fiscal 2015 as they work to make HealthCare.gov operate better this fall.

The Health and Human Services Department said it needs a projected $1.8 billion to maintain the federally run exchange it operates on behalf of about three dozen states. The exchange is a web portal where consumers without health coverage can compare and purchase plans, often with the help of government subsidies.

About $1.2 billion of the funding will come from fees tied to Obamacare, while $600 million will be sought from Congress, officials said in HHS-specific comments about Mr. Obama’s new budget proposal.

“If Congress funds the president’s budget … this would fully fund the ongoing implementation of the Affordable Care Act,” HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said.

The agency also vowed to improve HealthCare.gov before the second round of open enrollment begins on Nov. 15, after software glitches and capacity issues ruined its Oct. 1 debut last year and nearly derailed the overhaul in its first year of implementation.
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Old 03-05-2014, 07:37 AM   #2
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A billion dollars, just for the website for one year - and they tell us the whole program is going to save people money?
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Old 03-05-2014, 07:59 AM   #3
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Old 03-05-2014, 09:17 AM   #4
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A billion dollars, just for the website for one year - and they tell us the whole program is going to save people money?
It's a bullshit cost or description. They aren't just running a website on that dough. I run websites that service the DE (not to be confused with the DoE) and it does not cost 1.8 billion. Nowhere close.
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Old 03-05-2014, 09:28 AM   #5
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Just for reference... As of 2010 (of course this data is dated), Netflix and just crew were not making 1.8b in revenue.
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Old 03-05-2014, 10:20 AM   #6
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Old 03-05-2014, 10:25 AM   #7
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Ezekial Emmanuel, Rahm's brother who is a doctor has boasted how ACA will kill off private insurance. What a commie. He wrote a book on our new healthcare....was on Fox last night.
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Old 03-05-2014, 10:32 AM   #8
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Ezekial Emmanuel, Rahm's brother who is a doctor has boasted how ACA will kill off private insurance. What a commie. He wrote a book on our new healthcare....was on Fox last night.


Ezekiel Emanuel, one of the architects behind Obamacare, is now claiming that “insurance companies as we know them are about to die.” Critics of President Barack Obama’s signature health care law have long alleged that one of the real goals of the law was to put private insurance companies out of business.

“The good news is you won’t have insurance companies to kick around much longer. The system is changing,” Emanuel writes in an op-ed on New Republic. “As a result, insurance companies as they are now will be going away. Indeed, they are already evolving. For the next few years insurance companies will both continue to provide services to employers and, increasingly, compete against each other in the health insurance exchanges.”

Due to Obamacare, “new actors will force insurance companies to evolve or become extinct,” he continues. Instead, new groups called “accountable care organizations” (ACOs) must start competing directly in the health care exchanges for exclusive contracts with employers.


The ACOs will have “standardized, guideline-driven care plans for most major conditions and procedures to increase efficiency,” says Emanuel, the brother of Obama’s former chief of staff and current Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel.

“They will have figured out how to harness their electronic medical records to better identify patients who will become sick and how to intervene early as well as how to care for the well-identified chronically ill so as to reduce costs,” he notes.




The key skill these ACOs and hospital systems lack—the skill insurance companies specialize in—is the actuarial capacity to predict and manage financial risk. But over the next decade this is something they will develop—or purchase. After all, actuarial science is not rocket science, even if it involves a lot of mathematical equations. And with that skill, ACOs and hospital systems will become integrated delivery systems like Kaiser or Group Health of Puget Sound. Then they will cut out the insurance company middle man—and keep the insurance company profits for themselves. Therefore, increasingly these ACOs and hospital systems will transform themselves into integrated delivery systems, entering insurance exchanges and negotiating with employers, in direct competition with insurance companies.

As the ACOs become more established, Emanuel claims contracts between the health systems and employers will become more common, thus “cutting out the insurance companies.”

Once the health systems “make the jump to offering coverage in the exchanges, the health insurance companies will only have a few options if they want to survive, according to Emanuel.

“First, they can refuse to change, in which case they will eventually go out of business,” he writes. “Second, they can shift their business to focus on offering services they have expertise in, particularly analytics, actuarial modeling, risk management, and other management services.”

Finally, the “third evolutionary path is that health insurance companies may transform themselves into integrated delivery systems.”

“So be prepared to kiss your insurance company good-bye forever,” Emanuel concludes.

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Old 03-05-2014, 10:33 AM   #9
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Ezekiel Emanuel, one of the architects behind Obamacare, is now claiming that “insurance companies as we know them are about to die.”

“So be prepared to kiss your insurance company good-bye forever,” Emanuel concludes.

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Ezekiel has consistently predicted, after Obamacare became law, that it would kill insurance companies. While Obamacare was being debated, Democrats denied that its purpose was to destroy private health insurance companies. Emanuel claims, without providing any evidence, that Americans will be happier in the new employer-based health provider networks.

“So be prepared to kiss your insurance company good-bye forever,” Emanuel concludes at the end of the article.

About 85% of Americans were happy with their healthcare before Obamacare.

You can KEEP your healthcare plan! Riiiigggght!
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Old 03-05-2014, 10:51 AM   #11
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The problem has never, ever been insurance companies from a 10k ft view.

The problem as always been the foundational cost charged for medical proceedures, supplies, and salaries of staff for a 24/7/365 operation.
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The problem has never, ever been insurance companies from a 10k ft view.

The problem as always been the foundational cost charged for medical procedures, supplies, and salaries of staff for a 24/7/365 operation.
And that problem was the unintended consequences of govt mandates being passed on insurance and elsewhere.

It's the market having the last say in response to perverse incentives created by govt in the marketplace.
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Old 03-05-2014, 12:12 PM   #13
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We spend well over half of that every single day on war-related expenses. I bet we'll be alright...
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Old 03-05-2014, 03:53 PM   #14
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We spend well over half of that every single day on war-related expenses. I bet we'll be alright...
Rationalize much?
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Old 03-05-2014, 04:41 PM   #15
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We spend well over half of that every single day on war-related expenses. I bet we'll be alright...
That should stop too. Then we'd be more than alright--we'd prosper and have more goodwill around the world. Then we'd be emulated.
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