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Old 03-23-2014, 03:54 PM  
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Wage-Fixing Cartel involving over 1 Million employees

Revealed: Apple and Google’s wage-fixing cartel involved dozens more companies, over one million employees

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Confidential internal Google and Apple memos, buried within piles of court dockets and reviewed by PandoDaily, clearly show that what began as a secret cartel agreement between Apple’s Steve Jobs and Google’s Eric Schmidt to illegally fix the labor market for hi-tech workers, expanded within a few years to include companies ranging from Dell, IBM, eBay and Microsoft, to Comcast, Clear Channel, Dreamworks, and London-based public relations behemoth WPP. All told, the combined workforces of the companies involved totals well over a million employees.
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what makes this scheme illegal: secret cross-agreements between two or more parties to fix wages in the labor market, at a time when tech engineer wages were soaring, threatening profits.
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Old 03-23-2014, 07:46 PM   #2
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Old 03-23-2014, 09:21 PM   #3
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Interesting. I look forward to reading it all tomorrow morning
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Old 03-24-2014, 06:37 AM   #4
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Very, very, VERY unlikely this is true. It's basically just math -- it'd be nearly impossible to have so many companies, who are competitors of each other, maintain such a scheme over a long period of time. Someone would've either broken ranks (and then all bets are off), or squealed ages ago.

Team sports are a great example. There's only 30 or so owners, and they're so unable to control their own impulses to overspend for talent that they have to put a cap system in place to ensure they don't shoot themselves in the foot.
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Old 03-24-2014, 07:47 AM   #5
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Very, very, VERY unlikely this is true.
did you click the link and look at their corroborating evidence?

government has already reached a settlement with 6 major companies

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The Department of Justice announced today that it has reached a settlement with six high technology companies-Adobe Systems Inc., Apple Inc., Google Inc., Intel Corp., Intuit Inc. and Pixar-that prevents them from entering into no solicitation agreements for employees. The department said that the agreements eliminated a significant form of competition to attract highly skilled employees, and overall diminished competition to the detriment of affected employees who were likely deprived of competitively important information and access to better job opportunities.
That is a revealed and factual conspiracy among 6 companies that affect over 100,000 tech workers.

Apparently ebay had a similar agreement, and they are also being sued. That is the potentially 7th major company. The article shows internal google documents (from Eric Schmidt, not some low level worker) that cite agreements with a bunch of other companies.


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It's basically just math -- it'd be nearly impossible to have so many companies, who are competitors of each other, maintain such a scheme over a long period of time. Someone would've either broken ranks (and then all bets are off), or squealed ages ago.
yet history has shown that has happened before in the past.
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Old 03-24-2014, 08:31 AM   #6
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Yeah, these lawsuits have been going on for years but the recently revealed emails and extra info. are pretty startling.

This site has a really good breakdown from this January
http://pando.com/2014/01/23/the-tech...gineers-wages/

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The companies in the pact shared their salary data with each other in order to coordinate and keep down wages
This kind of makes me laugh.. wouldn't want to leave a paper trail

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Old 03-24-2014, 09:28 AM   #7
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Yup, these tech companies collude to keep down wages, and then beg congress to bring in h1-b visa holders because they are supposedly unable to find american workers for those positions. In reality they just like the limits and restrictions of an endentured h1-b visa workforce.
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Old 03-24-2014, 10:16 AM   #8
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Very, very, VERY unlikely this is true. It's basically just math -- it'd be nearly impossible to have so many companies, who are competitors of each other, maintain such a scheme over a long period of time. Someone would've either broken ranks (and then all bets are off), or squealed ages ago.

Team sports are a great example. There's only 30 or so owners, and they're so unable to control their own impulses to overspend for talent that they have to put a cap system in place to ensure they don't shoot themselves in the foot.
Its not impossible, its very real. Google and Apple have had an informal agreement at the very top of these companies not to poach talent from one another for years. It seems they extended that agreement and the "informalness" of it may have crossed the boundary of what is legal. The idea that it applies to a million people is just hyperbole, but the scheme is real and has been quietly talked about for years.
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A lot of this stems from the fact that California has unusual rules on non-compete clauses, basically they dont allow them. This is a problem for these industries which deal in tech issues and intellectual property (which is perfectly portable with software engineers) is a key part of their business's value.

The informal agreements these companies developed arose out of this inability to force employees into non-compete clauses. The employees are alleging its about wage fixing, which it is if only indirectly.

One could argue that the free flow of talent and ideas is what made Silicon Valley so successful in the first place, and so busting up this agreement is a good thing for consumers regardless of the wage issue. I'm sure Apple and Google would disagree.
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NSA likely has recordings of all their conversations anyway, no not putting it in an email wouldn't matter.

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Yeah, these lawsuits have been going on for years but the recently revealed emails and extra info. are pretty startling.

This site has a really good breakdown from this January
http://pando.com/2014/01/23/the-tech...gineers-wages/



This kind of makes me laugh.. wouldn't want to leave a paper trail

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