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Old 04-02-2014, 09:05 PM  
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Dumb idea of the day: Let Alex Smith play out his contract

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2014/4...t-his-contract

A year ago I suggested that Alex Smith should be extended because the price would never be lower. Obviously 99% of the forum was against me, but the deal I suggested would be a bargain today.

Now paid writers are literally suggesting to let Alex play it out when there is no chance that the Chiefs could match free agent offers for him. Their defense is that he could get hurt. Wow, and if he gets hurt, who plays QB? Chiefs are screwed either way

Best case scenario if we don't extend Alex soon is the franchise tag and that means massively overpaying for another key position
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Old 04-04-2014, 06:09 AM   #136
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I know it's harsh. I know it's not fair. I know the defense is by far the most responsible for the loss. But one big play in the last 25 minutes, instead of drives that end with fumble, punt, field goal, punt and field goal, and we all end that day laughing about the game they almost blew, instead of throwing remotes at our televisions. Somebody needs to make that play, at least one guy has to shoulder the load when everything else is falling apart. Has to say "**** this shit, I'm not letting this happen!".

Unfortunately nobody did. And that includes Alex Smith. Which is the worry that I've always had about him: that he's more of a complimentary player who might not come through where other guys (like Andrew Luck, down 38-10 in a laugher...) might. Hell, think about it the other way: Chiefs are down 38-10 to anybody at Arrowhead in January. Can he lead that comeback?
If you're down 38-10, statistically you're 99.1% going to lose (espn reported Colts victory was 0.9% chance). What we witnessed was the perfect storm: 5 chiefs players got injured (jamaal charles, kniles davis, donnie avery, justin houston, brandon flowers). So you're left with your 2nd best receiver in Bowe (charles is 1st, avery is 3rd) and then you lose kniles davis, who was playing well, in the 2nd half. With either charles or davis as your rb, you will win cause they're dependable to kill the clock and escape with score of 44-38 (my guess). the key is to not fall behind 38-10. We can't expect any team to come back from 38-10.

if we even had decent play by our safeties/corners, then we're not allowing t.y. hilton look like he's jerry fkn rice. Add the moment that Luck recovers the ball that bounces off his lineman's helmet and back to Luck after the forced fumble. Again, perfect storm.

Alex did his part and was carrying the team on his shoulders. He did run for several first downs with his feet when he had to take it all on his own. 57 yards with avg 7.1 yards. The fumble, though, I give him 80% of the blame (20% to his oline). He knew how dire the situation was and was taking it all on his shoulders.

2 key plays:

1. Cyrus Gray and Alex Smith don't connect for the pass and assumed touchdown. Alex's first read was to Mccluster for a short 6 yard gain but interrupts his throwing motion when he sees Cyrus Gray is open. Cyrus had given up on the play and then notices the ball in the air and tries to recover but he's 1 step too late. 90% blame to Gray cause this is the playoffs and you should not let up on your routes. If charles was the rb, i have 100 % confidence he makes the play. Cyrus Gray stats for 2013: 24 yards rush with 2.7 yd/avg. Cyrus is a nobody.


2. Final pass to Bowe.

Prior, Alex fked up with his intentional grounding. Though for some reason the line collapsed and Alex was surprised by the swarm of 2/3 colts.

Then Alex executes a very difficult throw. Bowe makes the catch but HALF of his right foot is out of bounds. Bowe gets played like a top receiver and at that moment, he just didn't live up to his salary. If that was Vernon Davis, Vernon makes the play.

So Alex Smith, in my opinion, had the mindset and performance to win. He just didn't have the support required to pull off the win.
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Old 04-04-2014, 08:45 AM   #137
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I actually haven't changed much on Smith. He did exactly what I expected last season, almost exactly the numbers I thought he'd have. And this won't be a popular sentiment, and I believe there are extenuating circumstances (namely injuries and coaching decisions), but he really didn't do what we needed him to do after halftime. The only TD they scored was after they were handed the ball on the 18 yard line. That's when they went up 38-10. From that point on, Smith was 14-21 for 139 yards, no TDs and a fumble. Not bad numbers, but not good either, not after starting 16-25 for 232 yards and 4 TDs. Particularly the TD doughnut (for the team, not just for him).

I know it's harsh. I know it's not fair. I know the defense is by far the most responsible for the loss. But one big play in the last 25 minutes, instead of drives that end with fumble, punt, field goal, punt and field goal, and we all end that day laughing about the game they almost blew, instead of throwing remotes at our televisions. Somebody needs to make that play, at least one guy has to shoulder the load when everything else is falling apart. Has to say "**** this shit, I'm not letting this happen!".

Unfortunately nobody did. And that includes Alex Smith. Which is the worry that I've always had about him: that he's more of a complimentary player who might not come through where other guys (like Andrew Luck, down 38-10 in a laugher...) might. Hell, think about it the other way: Chiefs are down 38-10 to anybody at Arrowhead in January. Can he lead that comeback?

I think that's the quarterback we need Alex Smith to be, or this trade was a waste. And I haven't seen that yet. 'course it's only 17 games so far.
As usual, good post.

The reason I'm cautiously optimistic about Alex going forward is because I have the utmost faith in the combination of Alex Smiths ability to be very coach able and Andy Reids ability to be one of the best teachers in the league of quarterbacks.

To me, it all goes back to the big meeting Alex and Andy had during the bye week. The one where Andy told him he will need to show the ability to attack with the deep ball and to push the ball a lot more and Alex responded favorably.

There isn't a doubt in my mind that Andy knows EXACTLY what areas Alex needs to improve on going forward for us to improve and that Alex will put in the work to step his game up...just like he did after the bye.

Also, I know a lot of people here point to the schedule we face as a reason they might take a step back (record wise) because we face the NFCW...but fail to acknowledge that Alex has a long history in that division. I think this team will be in each of those games (sans Seattle)
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Old 04-04-2014, 08:54 AM   #138
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As usual, good post.

The reason I'm cautiously optimistic about Alex going forward is because I have the utmost faith in the combination of Alex Smiths ability to be very coach able and Andy Reids ability to be one of the best teachers in the league of quarterbacks.

To me, it all goes back to the big meeting Alex and Andy had during the bye week. The one where Andy told him he will need to show the ability to attack with the deep ball and to push the ball a lot more and Alex responded favorably.

There isn't a doubt in my mind that Andy knows EXACTLY what areas Alex needs to improve on going forward for us to improve and that Alex will put in the work to step his game up...just like he did after the bye.

Also, I know a lot of people here point to the schedule we face as a reason they might take a step back (record wise) because we face the NFCW...but fail to acknowledge that Alex has a long history in that division. I think this team will be in each of those games (sans Seattle)
I think the score against Seattle might be closer than people think, due to the way both teams play football.
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Old 04-04-2014, 12:00 PM   #139
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^ this is the interview that was being mentioned in this thread. If there's one QB not in it for the ego and personal bank account.. it's Alex. He just wants the Chiefs to commit to him for a few years. I wouldn't be surprised at all by a very cap-friendly contract, but it likely wouldn't be one that KC can easily ditch him year by year.
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Old 04-04-2014, 12:04 PM   #140
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I wouldn't be surprised at all by a very cap-friendly contract, but it likely wouldn't be one that KC can easily ditch him year by year.
In all sincerity, does such a contract exist?

A large up-front bonus can be cap-friendly, but it might make it easier for the Chiefs to swallow his contract after 2-3 years. Using a yearly roster bonus can be cap friendly, but again it makes his contract potentially easier to void after a couple of years.

The best way to make a contract sticky is to do like the did with Bowe and guarantee the base salary. But that's definitely not cap friendly.
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Old 04-04-2014, 01:24 PM   #141
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Alex has always struck me as a team player, and I think he wants success more than the biggest paycheck possible. Going out on a limb here, but I don't think he would insist on a contract that would hamstring his team.
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Old 04-04-2014, 01:30 PM   #142
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In all sincerity, does such a contract exist?

A large up-front bonus can be cap-friendly, but it might make it easier for the Chiefs to swallow his contract after 2-3 years. Using a yearly roster bonus can be cap friendly, but again it makes his contract potentially easier to void after a couple of years.

The best way to make a contract sticky is to do like the did with Bowe and guarantee the base salary. But that's definitely not cap friendly.
I can see one in the 4 year range. 4 years is what we could realistically expect from him.

Well, if we manage to put a good enough line in front of him this year to keep him from getting his brain scrambled again...
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