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1. Houston Texans: DE Jadeveon Clowney, 6-5, 266, South Carolina

If the Texans don’t force a quarterback here, they’ll take the best player on the board. That’s Clowney, one of the most talented defensive ends to enter the draft in a long time.

2. St. Louis Rams: LT Greg Robinson, 6-5, 332, Auburn

With Clowney off the board, Sammy Watkins, Khalil Mack and Greg Robinson are widely considered to be the elite prospects remaining. Watkins will be tempting — despite taking four receivers in the top four rounds since coach Jeff Fisher took over, they still don’t have a clear No. 1 — but the Rams just signed Kenny Britt, so they do have some flexibility here.

Left tackle Jake Long is rehabbing after tearing his ACL and MCL late last season, so Robinson — a mauler in the running game who flashes great potential in pass protection — offers insurance in the short-term. If Long is ready to go this season, Robinson could also step in and be a dominant left guard as he refines his technique in preparation for a future move to left tackle.

3. Jacksonville Jaguars: WR Sammy Watkins, 6-1, 211, Clemson

If the Jaguars aren’t in love with any of the top quarterbacks, they might just pick one in the second round and go with Watkins, an established playmaker with blazing speed who has all the tools needed to be a top-shelf receiver in the National Football League. He blows by cornerbacks, tracks the ball well and also has the ability to contribute as a returner.

4. Cleveland Browns: QB Blake Bortles, 6-5, 232, Central Florida

The Texans’ and Jaguars’ decisions to pass on a quarterback benefits the Browns, who now have their choice of the top three prospects at the position. Of the three, I have them going with Bortles, a late-riser who possesses prototypical size and plus intangibles. He also excels at running bootlegs and playaction, which will fit well in Kyle Shanahan’s version of the West Coast offense. Johnny Manziel or Teddy Bridgewater could also be options here.

5. Oakland Raiders: OLB Khalil Mack, 6-2, 251, Buffalo

The Raiders are trying to contend this year, and Mack is a plug-and-play type who will immediately help the defense with his versatility and ability to rush the passer. Mack can help out at defensive end, where LaMarr Woodley, Justin Tuck and Kevin Burnett are all 29 or older. He can also help out as a conventional outside linebacker in the Raiders’ 4-3 scheme, though 2013 third-round pick Sio Moore flashed potential there, too. There are a lot of bodies up front for the Raiders but it’s hard to pass on a blue-chip talent like Mack.

6. Atlanta Falcons: OT Jake Matthews, 6-5, 308, Texas A&M

The Falcons have to do a better job protecting quarterback Matt Ryan — the guy was sacked a career-high 44 times last season. Rectifying this starts with fortifying the edges, where tackles Sam Baker and Lamar Holmes struggled mightily last season. There’s no doubt what Matthews can do; the guy is a plug-and-play tackle at either left tackle or right tackle, a rock-solid option with fantastic bloodlines (he’s the son of Hall of Famer Bruce Matthews).

7. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: WR Mike Evans, 6-5, 231, Texas A&M

With the recent trade of Mike Williams, the Bucs could easily scoop up a wide receiver here. New quarterback Josh McCown thrived in Chicago with two big receivers in Brandon Marshall and Alshon Jeffery, and the Bucs have a chance to recreate some of that magic by teaming up Evans — a massive receiver with strong ball skills —with another big, established playmaker in Vincent Jackson.

8. Minnesota Vikings: QB Johnny Manziel, 6-1, 207, Texas A&M

New offensive coordinator Norv Turner could use a long-term option at quarterback who is better than Matt Cassel, and there are no shortage of options still on the board. The Vikings could go with Bridgewater, Manziel or even David Carr, but Manziel has the arm strength and competiveness to make Turner’s vertical offense sing.

9. Buffalo Bills: TE Eric Ebron, 6-4, 250, North Carolina

The Bills could use a right tackle, so if Matthews falls here, he could be the pick. But after investing a first-round pick in quarterback E.J. Manuel last year, the Bills may give their young quarterback a weapon in the athletic Ebron, who is the draft’s best prospect at tight end.

10. Detroit Lions: OLB Anthony Barr, 6-4, 255, UCLA

The Lions wouldn’t mind taking Evans if he was still on the board, but Barr is a nice consolation prize. As a former fullback, he lacks polish and is still developing his football instincts, but his combination of size, speed, burst and collegiate production makes him an intriguing fit in Detroit’s attacking 4-3 defense. He’s a high-upside prospect worth taking a chance on.

11. Tennessee Titans: QB Teddy Bridgewater, 6-2, 214, Louisville

The Titans aren’t expected to pick up the option on Jake Locker’s contract, which means he’s essentially on a one-year audition in Tennessee. Enter Bridgewater, whose stock has fallen since a disappointing pro day but still has the pocket presence and smarts to be a starting quarterback in the NFL. There are some questions about his thin frame, but in this scenario, Bridgewater could sit for a year and develop behind Locker before taking over in 2015.

12. New York Giants: OT Taylor Lewan, 6-7, 309, Michigan

The Giants could use an upgrade at left tackle, so while the Giants rarely spend high picks on linemen, the chance to add a top-10 talent in Lewan — at a position of need, no less — could prove to be too tempting to pass up.

13. St. Louis Rams: CB Justin Gilbert, 6-0, 202, Oklahoma State

The Rams need help at safety, but their starters at the position last season — Rodney McLeod and T.J. McDonald — are only 23 years old. They should get better. So instead of safety, the Rams go with Gilbert, a player whose speed and ball skills potentially give coach Jeff Fisher and new defensive coordinator Gregg Williams another chess piece for their attacking defense.

14. Chicago Bears: DT Aaron Donald, 6-1, 285, Pittsburgh

Donald is small for a defensive lineman, but there’s no doubting his production, quickness or motor. This guy has checked all the boxes during the pre-draft period and is an ideal fit as a three-technique defensive tackle to replace Henry Melton, who bolted for Dallas this offseason.

15. Pittsburgh Steelers: CB Darqueze Dennard, 5-11, 199, Michigan State

Dennard is an aggressive, physical press-man corner who fits the profile of the type of player defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau likes at the position.

16. Dallas Cowboys: S Ha’Sean Clinton-Dix, 6-1, 218, Alabama

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones loves big names, and Clinton-Dix fits the bill, thanks to in large part to his amusing nickname (which is Ha Ha). But the Cowboys also need plenty of help at safety, and while Clinton-Dix isn’t elite in any area, he’s competent in several, which makes him a plug-and-player for Jones.

17. Baltimore Ravens: OT Zack Martin, 6-4, 308, Notre Dame

General manager Ozzie Newsome has an eye for talent and often leans toward taking the best player on the board. Fortunately for him, Martin is still out there. He’s smart and versatile and should be able to step right in at right tackle and contribute. As an added bonus, he also plays center and guard.

18. New York Jets: WR Odell Beckham Jr., 5-11, 198, Louisiana State

Brandin Cooks and Marqise Lee are also options here, but Beckham is bigger than Cooks and doesn’t have Lee’s injury woes. Beckham’s ability to stretch the field, play inside or outside and contribute on special teams makes him a potential contributor from day one.

19. Miami Dolphins: LB C.J. Mosley, 6-2, 234, Alabama

New Dolphins general manager Dennis Hickey is reportedly a fan of taking the best player available, and Mosley — a smart three-down linebacker with excellent intangibles — fits the bill. He also fills a need at inside linebacker.

20. Arizona Cardinals: OLB Ryan Shazier, 6-1, 237, Ohio State

Shazier is a nice fit for the Cardinals, a run-and-hit outside linebacker who is coming off a strong junior season in which he finished as the Big Ten’s leading tackler. His size is a concern, but he covers a ton of ground (he ran a 4.4 40 during his pro day) and the Cardinals have the size up front to protect him.

21. Green Bay Packers: S Calvin Pryor, 5-11, 207, Louisville

The Packers get a break and select perhaps the most imposing hitter in the 2014 draft class. Pryor is a physical player who will fit right in next to Morgan Burnett in the Packers’ secondary.

22. Philadelphia Eagles: WR Marqise Lee, 6-0, 192, Southern California

If anybody knows what Lee can do, it’s Philly coach Chip Kelly. He coached against him in 2011 and 2012, back when Kelly was at Oregon and Lee was ripping up Pac-12 defenses. Lee’s durability is a concern, but he is a natural playmaker with the speed and talent to stretch the field the way Kelly likes.

23. Chiefs: CB Bradley Roby, 5-11, 194, Ohio State`

At this range, the Chiefs might be tempted to look at Zack Martin, who can play guard, and big-play receivers like Marqise Lee and Brandin Cooks. But in Roby, they can also take a feisty, physical and fluid athlete who was inconsistent as a junior but was once regarded as a top-15 pick. He’s a tad shorter than the Chiefs general manager John Dorsey typically likes — just a tick under 6-feet tall — but he does have long arms and tends to play bigger than his size.

The Chiefs have already given big-time money to Sean Smith and Brandon Flowers, but for a team in the AFC West, the road to the Super Bowl leads through Denver and star quarterback Peyton Manning, and the Chiefs’ two losses to the Broncos — not to mention their playoff loss to Indianapolis — showed you can never have enough cornerbacks.

Adding Roby to the mix, along with Marcus Cooper and Chris Owens, gives the Chiefs at least five playable cornerbacks. It also provides valuable insurance at the position in case the team decides to save money next year by cutting Smith or Flowers.

24. Cincinnati Bengals: DE Kony Ealy, 6-4, 273, Missouri

The Bengals could use a little more juice on their defensive line, especially after the free-agent departure of defensive end Michael Johnson. Ealy has the tools to be a good professional defensive end.

25. San Diego Chargers: NT Louis Nix III, 6-2, 331, Notre Dame

San Diego is reportedly comfortable with Sean Lissemore at nose tackle, but Nix is a massive space eater who fits the bill as a run-stuffer in the Chargers’ 3-4 defense.

26. Cleveland Browns: CB Kyle Fuller, 6-0, 190, Virginia Tech

Fuller’s stock has been rising. He has a good football pedigree — two of his brothers have played in the NFL while his youngest brother now plays at Virginia Tech — and he has the talent to step right in next to star cornerback Joe Haden and solidify the position for years to come.

27. New Orleans Saints: OLB Dee Ford, 6-2, 252, Auburn

Ford is a pass rusher, though and through, and defensive coordinator Rob Ryan knows exactly how to use guys like that in his 3-4 defense.

28. Carolina Panthers: WR Brandin Cooks, 5-9, 189, Oregon State

After the team parted ways with Ted Ginn and Steve Smith, finding a target for star quarterback Cam Newton should be a priority. Cooks is a player whose strong pre-draft workouts are backed up by his junior year film, so he could very easily go before this point. If he lasts to No. 28, consider it a steal for the Panthers.

29. New England Patriots: DT Ra’Shede Hageman, 6-5, 318, Minnesota

The Patriots’ starting defensive tackles are well over 30, and while a handful of young backups played well last year, none of them have the athleticm and talent of Hageman. He’s raw, but if anybody can help him reach his potential, it’s Bill Belichick.

30. San Francisco 49ers: CB Jason Verrett, 5-9, 189, Texas Christian

Verrett is small, so long-term durability is a concern. But the 49ers need quality depth at cornerback, and Verrett has the speed, aggressiveness and ball skills to contribute immediately as a nickel corner.

31. Denver Broncos: OLB Jeremiah Attoachu, 6-3, 252, Georgia Tech

Attoachu is a pass-rusher with a chance to develop into a long-term starter. Given Von Miller’s off-field troubles and DeMarcus Ware’s age (31), it certainly wouldn’t hurt to add a little edge-rushing insurance.

32. Seattle Seahawks: DT Stephon Tuitt, 6-5, 304, Notre Dame

The Seahawks lost some key members of their defensive line this offseason, but Tuitt can step right in and contribute immediately. He can anchor against the run and he also displayed pass-rushing production in college. If he’s over the injuries that slowed him down last year, he could be a steal.

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Old 04-14-2014, 12:56 PM   #91
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It all depends on what you think would be better for this team.

1st - OLB/DE
3rd - WR
4th - CB

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1st - WR
3rd - CB
4th - OLB/DE

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1st - CB
3rd - OLB/DE
4th - WR
1st - OLB/ILB/LB *cough*Van Noy*cough*
3rd - OL (You better ****ing believe that they need a true high level starter level guy at OG and a good backup at the swing OT spot because they don't have one on roster right now.)
4th - WR (There is going to still be a metric shit ton of talent at this position in this draft when their fourth round pick rolls around - Devin Street, Josh Huff, Kevin Norwood, Mike Davis, Robert Herron, Brandon Coleman are all very, very solid prospects who would give the Chiefs a very good potential #2 WR right from the get go.)
5th & 6th - CB, DT, OL, S, WR, whatever
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1. Kyle Van Mother****ing Noy
3. Dakota Dozier
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Old 04-14-2014, 05:09 PM   #94
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Positions that shouldn't even be on te draft board for the 23 slot:

CB
C
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ILB
RB
FB
K/P

All of those positions are either extremely deep, where a player of similar ability can be had later in the draft (CB, OT) or are a position not worth of that high of a pick.

Taking Roby in what could be the best corner class in the last 20 years would be a massive waste of a valuable resource.
I don't entirely agree here.

If we had an ILB next to DJ that we didn't have to take out on passing downs, Berry wouldn't need to be dropped in the box so damn often.

That, along with a FS, would go a long way in fixing the coverage issues this team had.
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Old 04-14-2014, 06:00 PM   #95
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I don't entirely agree here.

If we had an ILB next to DJ that we didn't have to take out on passing downs, Berry wouldn't need to be dropped in the box so damn often.

That, along with a FS, would go a long way in fixing the coverage issues this team had.
Exactly, and Joe Mays does nothing to help this and neither do any of the other tomato cans we've got on the roster behind the trio of Houston, Hali and Johnson.

It's obvious that Sutton appreciates Berry and would use him as more of a rover as he was in college. (That alone should make just about everyone around here giddy with joy.)

As it stood in 2013, Berry was your ILB on a lot of downs because Jordan and the like simply couldn't be relied upon in coverage. Having a LB who is very strong in coverage allows the LB to actually play the LB role versus having to waste Berry's speed in the back half by bringing him up in the box so often.

Having a guy like Van Noy along with DJ would give Sutton that opportunity. (Along with a guy who can cover ground at the FS position and a healthy Sanders Commings and Jerron McMillian should be able to do just that.)
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Breaking news... Sutton's defense features a "single-high safety"...

Berry isn't backing out of the box whether they have an athletic player at LILB or not. And the reason he isn't is not because he's there to defend the run, its because the single-high safety scheme is better set up to defend the quick passing game than a double-high (cover 2) type of look. And if you guys don't know that, go look it up, but this silly bullshit talk about two deep safeties needs to go. It isn't happening. The league is trending towards single high safety looks. Even traditional cover 2 guys like Monte Kiffen drifted that direction last year.
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I don't entirely agree here.

If we had an ILB next to DJ that we didn't have to take out on passing downs, Berry wouldn't need to be dropped in the box so damn often.

That, along with a FS, would go a long way in fixing the coverage issues this team had.
Solid point.

I think they tried to trade up to get Kuechly, too. There were definitely rumors flying around that KC was trying to move up to get a defender that went before us. Not bad to end up with Poe, though.
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Breaking news... Sutton's defense features a "single-high safety"...

Berry isn't backing out of the box whether they have an athletic player at LILB or not. And the reason he isn't is not because he's there to defend the run, its because the single-high safety scheme is better set up to defend the quick passing game than a double-high (cover 2) type of look. And if you guys don't know that, go look it up, but this silly bullshit talk about two deep safeties needs to go. It isn't happening. The league is trending towards single high safety looks. Even traditional cover 2 guys like Monte Kiffen drifted that direction last year.
We are not talking about 2 deep safeties.
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Another reason we might be looking at the big WR's is because in the WCO that Reid runs it's a nice benefit to have big guys like Bowe to block out DB's on that cross routes/short routes.
That's a big reason why Alex Smith trusted Bowe later on IMO. His TE's in SF gave him that huge benefit.

Here's a great example.

It's really ****ing hard for DB's to defend against these guys on plays like this, that we run a lot of in this system.

This is why they LOVE Mike Evans IMO. Too bad he is out of our reach.
Bowe did well late in the year because they lined him up in the slot in 11 personnel or motioned him inside where he can use his body to guard against defenders in the middle of the field (also easier for him to get open by design since he's not a polished route runner who can create separation on his own). The body type is not too big of a deal at split end or even flanker where our true #1 will be lining up. Just need someone fluid on the outside. I'm not a fan of the little dude receivers but not a fan of the big lumbering ones like Coleman/Evans either. They should pick someone up around the same size as Bowe (6'1-6'2) like Moncrief.
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We are not talking about 2 deep safeties.
If you're talking about dropping both safeties "back" into coverage, I can come to no other logical conclusion. Berry is playing exactly where he is supposed to be in this defense and I don't foresee that changing at all. We need a deep cover safety, but they may be fine with Abdullah in that role.
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If you're talking about dropping both safeties "back" into coverage, I can come to no other logical conclusion. Berry is playing exactly where he is supposed to be in this defense and I don't foresee that changing at all. We need a deep cover safety, but they may be fine with Abdullah in that role.
They've been talking for weeks about Berry playing the SHS position. What rock have you been under?
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Old 04-15-2014, 05:52 PM   #103
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They've been talking for weeks about Berry playing the SHS position. What rock have you been under?
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I don't entirely agree here.

If we had an ILB next to DJ that we didn't have to take out on passing downs, Berry wouldn't need to be dropped in the box so damn often.

That, along with a FS, would go a long way in fixing the coverage issues this team had.
Which may be a misinterpretation. Either way, Berry isn't changing positions.
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Old 04-15-2014, 06:53 PM   #104
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Old 04-15-2014, 08:22 PM   #105
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I really like Rajion Neal out of Tennessee a ton though. Like many backs in past years, very underrated. I always look for change of direction quickness and vision as two major pluses for a running back and he has both. He's a great receiver out of the backfield which is a plus for Reid.
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