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2014 NFL Combine - Players - The DT

Defensive Tackles:

Jay Bromley, Syracuse
6'3", 306 lb., 33 1/2" arms
Bench: 26
40: 5.06
Vertical: 33.5"
Broad: 8'10"
3 Cone: 7.92

Ryan Carrethers, Arkansas State
6'1", 337 lb., 31 3/4" arms
Bench: 32
40: 5.47
Vertical: 7'4"
Broad: 26"
3 Cone: 7.89

Deandre Coleman, California
6'5", 314 lb., 34 3/8" arms
Bench: 24
40: DNP
Vertical: DNP
Broad: DNP
3 Cone: DNP

Aaron Donald, Pittsburgh
6'1", 285 lb., 32 5/8" arms
Bench: 35
40: 4.68
Vertical: 32"
Broad: 9'8"
3 Cone: 7.11

Dominique Easley, Florida
6'2", 288 lb., 32 7/8" arms
Bench: 26
40: DNP
Vertical: DNP
Broad: DNP
3 Cone: DNP

Justin Ellis, Louisiana Tech
6'1", 334 lb., 33" arms
Bench: 28
40: 5.27
Vertical: 28"
Broad: 7'8"
3 Cone: 7.81

Ego Ferguson, LSU
6'3", 315 lb., 32 1/2" arms
Bench: 24
40: DNP
Vertical: DNP
Broad: DNP
3 Cone: DNP

Ra'shede Hageman Minnesota
6'6", 310 lb., 34 1/4" arms
Bench: 32
40: 5.02
Vertical: 35.5"
Broad: 9'6"
3 Cone: 7.87

Kerry Hyder, Texas Tech
6'2", 290 lb., 33 1/2" arms
Bench: 20
40: 5.10
Vertical: 29.5"
Broad: 9'0"
3 Cone: 7.23

Anthony Johnson, LSU
6'2", 308 lb., 32 7/8" arms
Bench: 20
40: 5.24
Vertical: 24.5"
Broad: 9'6"
3 Cone: 7.93

Daquan Jones, Penn State
6'4", 322 lb., 33 1/2" arms
Bench: 21
40: 5.35
Vertical: 27.5"
Broad: 9'5"
3 Cone: 7.16

Zach Kerr, Delaware
6'1", 326 lb., 32 7/8" arms
Bench: 28
40: 5.08
Vertical: 28.5"
Broad: 8'3"
3 Cone: 7.93

Dan McCullers, Tennessee
6'7", 352 lb., 36 5/8" arms
Bench: 27
40: DNP
Vertical: 20.5"
Broad: 8'1"
3 Cone: DNP

Louis Nix, Notre Dame
6'2", 331 lb., 33" arms
Bench: DNP
40: 5.42
Vertical: 25.5"
Broad: 8'1"
3 Cone: 8.29

Tenny Palepoi, Utah
6'1", 298 lb., 30 1/2" arms
Bench: 31
40: 5.10
Vertical: 30.5"
Broad: 9'3"
3 Cone: 7.67

Mike Pennel, CSU-Pueblo
6'4", 332 lb., 33 3/8" arms
Bench: 23
40: 5.23
Vertical: 28.5"
Broad: 8'6"
3 Cone: 7.94

Kelcy Quarles, South Carolina
6'4", 297 lb., 33 1/4" arms
Bench: 27
40: 5.03
Vertical: 23.5"
Broad: 8'6"
3 Cone: DNP

Caraun Reid, Princeton
6'2", 302 lb., 33" arms
Bench: 20
40: 4.91
Vertical: 26.5"
Broad: 8'10"
3 Cone: 7.59"

Shamar Stephen, Connecticut
6'5", 309 lb., 33 1/8" arms
Bench: 25
40: 5.25
Vertical: 30.5"
Broad: 8'7"
3 Cone: DNP

Will Sutton, Arizona State
6'0", 303 lb., 31 1/4" arms
Bench: 24
40: 5.36
Vertical: 28.5"
Broad: 8'3"
3 Cone: 7.93

Robert Thomas, Arkansas
6'1", 327 lb., 33 7/8" arms
Bench: 32
40: DNP
Vertical: DNP
Broad: DNP
3 Cone: DNP

Khyri Thornton, Southern Mississippi
6'3", 304 lb., 32 1/2" arms
Bench: 28
40: 5.03
Vertical: 29"
Broad: 9'4"
3 Cone: 7.83

Brent Urban, Virginia
6'7", 295 lb., 34 1/4" arms
Bench: DNP
40: DNP
Vertical: DNP
Broad: DNP
3 Cone: DNP

Chris Whaley, Texas
6'3", 269 lb., 32 1/8" arms
Bench: DNP
40: DNP
Vertical: DNP
Broad: DNP
3 Cone: DNP

Kerry Wynn, Richmond
6'5", 266 lb., 31 3/4" arms
Bench: 31
40: 4.97
Vertical: 34"
Broad: 9'5"
3 Cone: DNP

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Old 04-24-2014, 10:29 PM   #121
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What are your guys' thoughts on Timmy Jernigan?
Short, small, slow and often injured.

A poor man's Glenn Dorsey.

If Peterson was still GM, he would be the Chiefs pick at #23.
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Old 04-28-2014, 09:00 AM   #122
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The following are the top five who have should be able to play DE in a 4-3 front or play a five-technique in a 3-4.

1) Jadeveon Clowney – South Carolina

Clowney is a "once in every ten years" talent, but he is not a "once in every ten years" player. As a sophomore in 2012, he dominated and showed us the player he can be in the NFL. That wasn’t the case in 2013, as he basically took off and played not to get injured.

When Clowney wants to play, he has the traits to be one of the best defensive ends ever. He is exceptionally strong, powerful, and athletic. He has the initial quickness to get by his opponent before he sets and the power to walk him back to the QB. He still needs to develop his hand use and counter moves, but that should come easily.

When playing versus the run, he is quick to react and can shed quickly. He has the quickness to slip or avoid blocks and the speed to catch plays from behind. There is nothing he can’t do when he sets his mind to it. The big question is, can the team that drafts him trust that he will revert back to the player we saw in 2012?

2) Ra’Shede Hageman – Minnesota

Hageman is an interesting player as well as a versatile one. He can be a five-technique in a 3-4 or play left end or either defensive tackle in a 4-3.

Hageman is a huge man at 6057 – 310. He also is very strong, explosive, and athletic. On any given play, he can toy with his opponents and dominate. The problem is his consistency. While he does dominate on some plays, he looks very ordinary on others.

When he stays low, he is very difficult to block. He can hold the point, shed quickly, and get to the play. Then there are plays where he gets tall and loses the leverage game. As a pass rusher, he can bull rush with power or use his hands and athleticism to put together moves and counter moves. He has a very good burst off of blocks to close.

Come draft day, Hageman will go high because of his talent and ceiling, but the team that drafts him has to be hopeful that he is going to compete on every play.

3) Kony Ealy – Missouri

Ealy is a fourth-year junior and had a breakout year in 2013 with 43 tackles, 14.5 tackles for loss, and 9.5 sacks. His stats are interesting as Missouri plays a with a strict rotation on the defensive line, so Ealy is only playing about 65% of the defensive downs.

Ealy is a pure 4-3 defensive end. He played on the left side at Missouri, but I feel he can play either side in the NFL. He has good DE size at 6040 – 273 with 34” arms and 4.68 speed. He is best as a pass rusher because of his initial quickness, ability to stay low, and put moves together. He can come off the edge, staying low and getting under his opponent.

Ealy is an excellent pursuit player but can be a bit inconsistent versus the run. He flashes that he can do it, but he needs to stay more disciplined with his technique. He can have a tendency to free-lance, break contain, and get caught inside versus outside runs. That should not be difficult to fix. I see Ealy as a mid-to-late first round pick who will contribute right from the start.

4) Scott Crichton – Oregon State

Crichton is a fourth-year junior who entered the draft early. He redshirted in 2010 and has been a starter ever since. He keeps getting better as he gains experience. At 6030 – 273, he has adequate size to go along with good overall athleticism.

The best thing about Crichton is his high motor. He plays hard every play with strength and power. He has the instincts and reactions to make a lot of plays.

Against the run, he shows the power to two-gap, can shed quickly, and get to the ball. As a pass rusher, he has a quick first step with the snap in his hips to walk his opponent back and the agility to use moves and counter moves.

He is a smart, well coached player who is very competitive. He will come in and start for most teams. He best fits the one-gap 4-3 teams. I see him getting drafted early in the second round.

5) Stephon Tuitt – Notre Dame

Right now, Tuitt is a bit of a wild card in the draft. At the combine, it was discovered he had a small fracture in his foot. He did work out at the combine as well as a short workout for interested clubs shortly after in Atlanta. He then had surgery, and how soon he is able to play is still to be determined. From what I understand, he should easily be ready for training camp.

Tuitt will be best as a five-technique player in a 3-4. At his size (6054 – 304), that is the ideal position. He is lighter now than he has been in at least two years. He played closer to 330 in 2013 and will probably play at about 315 once he gets to the NFL.

Tuitt is naturally strong and explosive but has some athletic limitations. He has some tightness in his hips and his lateral movement is good, not great. He has excellent straight-line quickness and speed.

There are scouts who question Tuitt’s ability. He had an excellent 2012, playing at about 315. During the offseason, he had hernia surgery and gained weight to 330 while rehabbing. Because of the extra weight, his level of play dropped in 2013. He didn’t make plays in 2013 that he made in 2012.

When healthy in 2012, he was a very good all-around player who could defend the run and rush the passer. He has the traits to be an excellent five–technique pass rusher in the NFL. Because of the surgery, it’s a question mark where Tuitt goes, but he is a legitimate high second round pick.
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I've soured on Hageman due to off field concerns and whether he'll play hard or not.

I'd much rather have Tuitt at this point.
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I've soured on Hageman due to off field concerns and whether he'll play hard or not.

I'd much rather have Tuitt at this point.
Yup, Tuitt is much younger also.
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Yup, Tuitt is much younger also.
If Hageman had Crichton's motor, he'd be my pick.
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If Hageman had Crichton's motor, he'd be my pick.
Yeah, but give me Brent Urban in the 3rd-4th over either of those guys in the 1st. When Urban is on his game, he really looks like JJ Swat.
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When Urban is on his game, he really looks like JJ Swat.
can you show me an example of that?

I've watched some of his different games and am not impressed. IMO, he needs to get much stronger. I am also concerned that he is still not over his high-ankle injury he suffered in october.
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I like Quarles and Easley in the 3/4 alot as well.
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can you show me an example of that?

I've watched some of his different games and am not impressed. IMO, he needs to get much stronger. I am also concerned that he is still not over his high-ankle injury he suffered in october.
Strength is not his problem at all. He's a really strong player but is technically raw. He really needs to develop some pass rush moves and overall use of his hands. His power was never in question, he routinely drives blockers back into the backfield and dominates with his strength and length; however, he seems to not know when to shed and is content with just latching on like a blocker and trying to bull rush his blocker into the QB. Maybe it's due to scheme, who knows?

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"I'd call him a poor man's J.J. Watt right now in terms of fit and also based on his special knack for swatting passes," McShay wrote. "He's a perfect 3-4 defensive end, creating good leverage against the run despite a long, 6-7, 295-pound frame. He uses his length well, both knocking down passes at the line of scrimmage and also using his strength and long arms to shed blocks, and can also just push a blocker backward when he's not doubled. He broke his foot before the Senior Bowl, but that could help turn him into a steal on Day 2." Urban led all FBS defensive lineman with nine pass breakups last season despite playing in just eight games. McShay's colleague Steve Muench compared him favorably to 2012 San Diego second-round pick Kendall Reyes in February. Muench added that Jacksonville, Indianapolis and New England were potential Urban landing spots. Mar 31 - 10:32 PM
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Strength is not his problem at all. He's a really strong player but is technically raw. He really needs to develop some pass rush moves and overall use of his hands. His power was never in question, he routinely drives blockers back into the backfield and dominates with his strength and length; however, he seems to not know when to shed and is content with just latching on like a blocker and trying to bull rush his blocker into the QB. Maybe it's due to scheme, who knows?
I can read what you are saying, and again I disagree. I have watched his highlight videos as well as the 3 videos on draft breakdown.

Once again, your claims and statements are not sufficient. Please show examples (you can link to a video with the times). Urban is a nice developmental prospect because of his length and size, but I dont see any of the things you have described.
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Todd McShay: UCLA's Anthony Barr a 'one-trick pony' who is a big-time gamble

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"I don't want to give the impression I don't like him. I just don't think he's as good as where he's projected to go," McShay said Wednesday during a teleconference with reporters. "I've talked to people recently who said, 'No, he's a top 10 pick.'

"That's a reach. And I think you're taking a big gamble."

Why the fall?

McShay said it has a lot to do with the tape. He watched Barr after the 2012 season and projected him to become one of the top prospects in this draft.

Some of McShay's early mocks, which kept Barr in the top 15, hinged on that tape on those projections. But once he finally watched the 2013 tape, he realized Barr had not developed as he anticipated.

"I thought I was going to see a different player than I actually saw," McShay said. "He wasn't bad -- I don't want to give the wrong impression -- but his takeoff skills have to improve.

"He's not very strong at the point of attack. He does not do a good job of setting the edge. He is close to a one-trick pony as a pass-rusher, in terms of just the speed rush. His speed-to-power moves stall -- they almost always stall out."

The best NFL pass-rushers can beat offensive linemen with speed and power. But Barr struggles to convert his speed into power, which could complicate his transition

McShay cautioned that selecting Barr high in the first round carries the risk of a bust. He even invoked the name of Vernon Gholston, a pass-rusher who flopped out of the league after going sixth overall to the Jets in 2008.

"With these pass rushers, we've seen guys go too early, and I would classify him as a risk," McShay said. "I'm not saying he's Gholston -- I don't think Gholston had a love for the game and there was a passion that was missing and some instincts that were missing -- but there have been some other pass-rushers that haven't worked out.

"That potentially is there if Barr doesn't develop better hand-usage and better power and become more physical and aggressive and continue to improve his instincts."
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I really do not view Barr as a 3-4 rush linebacker at all. I view him as a more athletic Scott Fujita. I dunno, not overly high on him for the Chiefs that's for sure.
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who are these scouts? I think it will be clear exactly how the NFL perceives him on draft day. Its smoke and mirrors time right now.
went 37th overall.

Atlanta is building a big 3-4D with Paul solai, Tyson Jackson, and now Hageman.
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Trent Baalke, an admitted admirer of long-armed players, lamented in February that few draft prospects this year had the length he's looking for. "All of the guys last year on the D-line were 34 (inches) or more," Baalke said of 2013 prospects like Tank Carradine and Quinton Dial. "I think it's an important trait. It's a trait that's hard to find. If you look at this this year's measurements, you're not going to find many players in this year's draft that are 34-plus arm length regardless of position -- O-line, D-line, linebacker. So it is a trait we certainly look at."

Still, Baalke managed to land three prospects in the 34-inch club on Friday and Saturday. Keeping in mind that the average arm length -- from shoulder to the end of the middle finger -- in this draft was little under 31 inches
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