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Old 12-07-2013, 10:57 AM  
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Government Whistleblowers to Edward Snowden: Don’t Come Home

Who’d be a whistleblower? As Robert Greenwald’s documentary War On Whistleblowers all too easily showed, there is little upside other than the moral victory of doing the right thing. The men and women who have learned the hard way are telling Edward Snowden to stay away from the United States, reports Al-Jazeera:

Every day at 5:45 a.m., John Kiriakou wakes up. He pulls on green pants and a green button-down shirt with his name and number on the front. Breakfast is at 6. He watches the news from 6:30 to 7:30, then goes back to sleep. He wakes up again at 11 a.m. for lunch, after which he exercises until around 2:30 in the afternoon. Mail call is at 3:30. Dinner is at 5 p.m.

Kiriakou, a former CIA agent, is serving 30 months in prison. He emailed a freelance reporter the name of a covert CIA officer, violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act. The name was never published, but Kiriakou became one of eight people charged by the Department of Justice since 2008 for leaking classified information under the Espionage Act.

“Boredom is the toughest thing about prison,” Kiriakou wrote Al Jazeera America in letters sent from the federal low-security penitentiary in western Pennsylvania where he is incarcerated. “I have never read so many books in my life.”

The Obama administration has charged twice as many people as all the previous administrations combined under the almost 100-year-old Espionage Act. The latest among them is Edward Snowden, the former National Security Agency contractor who revealed the existence of U.S. government surveillance programs.

Snowden is in Russia, having sought asylum there as the U.S. attempts to extradite him to face a possible sentence of 30 years in jail — more if other charges are brought.

In interviews with others prosecuted under the Espionage Act, the message to Snowden is clear: Don’t come home. Once the media attention has faded, those who have been investigated for leaking classified information speak of lives irreparably altered, finances depleted and lifelong career ambitions permanently scorched…

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Old 12-07-2013, 12:23 PM   #2
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he is deadmeat in a lot of places. If russia wants to protect him he better stay there. He will take a dirt nap if he ever tries to come to US again
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Old 12-08-2013, 07:25 AM   #3
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...Once the media attention has faded, those who have been investigated for leaking classified information speak of lives irreparably altered, finances depleted and lifelong career ambitions permanently scorched…
Well, no kidding. He scorched his previous employer by touching off the largest diplomatic disaster in recent memory. Did he think he was going to get his job back?
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Old 12-08-2013, 09:43 AM   #4
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are he and steve bartman hanging out somewhere?
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Old 12-08-2013, 08:08 PM   #5
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are he and steve bartman hanging out somewhere?
Cayman Islands along with Al Gore and Ken Lay.
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Old 12-08-2013, 08:41 PM   #6
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Cayman Islands along with Al Gore and Ken Lay.
Kenneth Lay has been dead for what, 5 years now?
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Old 12-08-2013, 08:44 PM   #7
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Kenneth Lay has been dead for what, 5 years now?
2006 "Officially" but Al Gore has to be getting direction from someone.
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Old 12-08-2013, 08:47 PM   #8
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2006 "Officially" but Al Gore has to be getting direction from someone.
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Old 12-08-2013, 08:50 PM   #9
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Any idea who?
*Cough* Kenlay *Cough* Cayman Islands *Cough*.
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Old 12-08-2013, 08:56 PM   #10
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Old 12-08-2013, 08:57 PM   #11
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Undead officially.
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Old 12-08-2013, 08:58 PM   #12
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Obama Administration Argues in Favor of Right to Fire Public Employees Who Testify at Corruption Trials
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The Supreme Court heard arguments today over whether public employee who testify under subpoena at public corruption trials should be protected by the First Amendment. The position of President Barack Obama’s administration appears to be that they should not be protected.

The case is Lane v. Franks...

The FBI was investigating “public corruption in Alabama” and Lane was subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury and at Schmitz’s two trials. She was convicted of “fraudulently obtaining $177,000 in public funds.” Yet, Lane never received any reward for his role. He was, instead, fired and decided to sue because he believed his termination was retaliation for testifying. It violated his First Amendment rights.

Ian H. Gershengorn, deputy solicitor general for the Justice Department, argued against extending First Amendment protection to public employees who are subpoenaed to testify. In fact, he suggested that a police officer who testified on a search warrant in court could be fired for providing testimony.

“We think that, for example, a police officer whose job it is to investigate and testify about what he saw to support a warrant or something,” Gershengorn argued. “It would still be part of his job responsibilities. The fact of the subpoena doesn’t change that a technician or officer or an investigator may be called to testify as part of his duties.”

“So you could fire him because he testified?” Chief Justice John Roberts asked.

Gershengorn replied, “Your Honor, there is a range of disciplinary activities that would be available to employees.”

The Justice Department imagines that if the Supreme Court rules in favor of Lane they will not be able to judge or evaluate the performance of employees because those employees could claim their First Amendment rights were violated. But there is something called the “Pickering balance,” which would still remain in effect making it possible to fire an employee if he or she was incompetent, disorderly or displayed poor judgment when testifying.

Justice Sonia Sotomayor asked, “What are you doing about the truth finding functions of a trial setting when you’re saying or telling people, employee, don’t go and tell the truth because if the truth hurts your employer you’re going to be fired?” And, “What kind of message are we giving when we’re telling employees, [who are] subpoenaed [for] any reason in a trial, go and tell a falsehood otherwise you can be fired?”

Roberts really had a tough time grappling with this position the Obama administration endorsed.

“I still don’t understand or didn’t understand what it is you’re saying. If he testifies, and you don’t want to keep the corruption secret. You know, you don’t want to reveal it and he testifies truthfully and reveals it. Can he be disciplined for this?” Roberts asked Mark Waggoner, an attorney representing Steve Franks, the college president.

If it was testimony that was “factual, based solely on the job duties, as it was here, inseparable from the job duties, and it is information that a citizen would not know,” it would not be protected speech, Waggoner argued.

Roberts said, “Well, what is he supposed to do? I mean, he gets a subpoena, and the other side or somebody, this independent counsel, says, you know, what’s going on? What do you know about, you know, from your job responsibilities? What happened or did you—is this person taking money? Is this person showing up? What’s he supposed to do?”

“He says, gosh, if I answer, I’m going to lose my job or could, and if I don’t or answer falsely—the Fifth Amendment protects him from incriminating himself. It doesn’t protect the department he works for from being incriminated.”

“We would never suggest that anybody not comply with a subpoena, comply with an investigation, or testify truthfully,” Waggoner claimed. And Roberts replied, “But you are suggesting he can be fired if he does it.”

“If it does not offend the First Amendment, and we believe that’s why we’re here,” Waggoner added.

To the defense attorney representing Franks and the deputy solicitor general arguing the Obama administration’s position, they would like a whole category of speech to be deemed off-limits to employees who wish to keep their jobs in government. They contend that “factual testimony based only on knowledge that an employee has pursuant to their official duties” should not be protected. It is not information that an average citizen would know. Only as employees do they know that information.

Such a rationale could be used to not only fire employees who testify in court but also employees who write newspaper articles or give interviews to the press.

It is but another way that the Obama administration supports measures that make it possible to crack down on whistleblowers.

What the American Civil Liberties Union argued in its amicus brief submitted clearly outlines how this position by the Obama administration discourages individuals from coming forward to testify in public corruption trials.

“A public official who has information that is relevant to an ongoing public corruption investigation may come forward and speak to the FBI if she can be confident that the government will later compel her testimony under subpoena, so as to insulate her from retaliatory action. But far more likely, uncertainty in the law—combined with the fact that the employee’s job hangs in the balance—will dissuade the employee from coming forward altogether,” the ACLU’s brief declares.

“Sworn statements relevant to a judicial proceeding always advance the judiciary’s truth-seeking function, and always fulfill an individual’s civic responsibility.” They should be protected by the First Amendment. Unfortunately, the Obama administration believes it must have the power to retaliate and dissuade employees from engaging in speech that might embarrass or reflect poorly on the government.
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The Obama administration has charged twice as many people as all the previous administrations combined under the almost 100-year-old Espionage Act.
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Obama Administration Argues in Favor of Right to Fire Public Employees Who Testify at Corruption Trials
Totally disgraceful in the * cough* "Land of the Free!"
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