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Old 03-13-2014, 02:15 PM  
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1 Houston Texans- Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo
2 St. Louis Rams- Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn
3 Jacksonville Jaguars- Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina
4 Cleveland Browns- Blake Bortles, QB, UCF
5 Oakland Raiders- Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville
6 Atlanta Falcons- Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M
7 Tampa Bay Buccaneers- Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson
8 Minnesota Vikings- Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M
9 Buffalo Bills- Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan
10 Detroit Lions- Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M
11 Tennessee Titans- Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA
12 New York Giants -Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina
13 St. Louis Rams- Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama
14 Chicago Bears- Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh
15 Pittsburgh Steelers- Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma St.
16 Dallas Cowboys- Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida St.
17 Baltimore Ravens- Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon St.
18 New York Jets- Odell Beckham, WR, LSU
19 Miami Dolphins- Zack Martin, OT, Notre Dame
20 Arizona Cardinals- Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan St.
21 Green Bay Packers- C.J. Mosley, LB, Alabama
22 Philadelphia Eagles- Calvin Pryor, S, Louisville

23 Kansas City Chiefs- Marqise Lee, WR, USC
Analysis: The Chiefs are going to be a good defense again in 2014 if they stay healthy, but there's still uncertainty on the offensive side of the ball, and while you can question the ceiling of Alex Smith at this point in his career, the Chiefs feel they can win with him and also won't be finding a better solution at this stage in the draft. But they can find Smith some help, and that's Lee, who brings a lot of refinement as a route runner and the ability to turn a short catch into a big play. And if he goes this low, the chip on his shoulder could also help.

24 Cincinnati Bengals- Ryan Shazier, LB, Ohio St.
25 San Diego Chargers- Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio St.
26 Cleveland Browns- Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida St.
27 New Orleans Saints- Dee Ford, OLB, Auburn
28 Carolina Panthers- Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama
29 New England Patriots- Ra'Shede Hageman, DT, Minnesota
30 San Francisco 49ers- Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech
31 Denver Broncos- Chris Borland, LB, Wisconsin
32 Seattle Seahawks- Stephon Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame

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Old 04-23-2014, 09:39 PM   #46
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10 Detroit Lions- Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M

Wow-Lions would be pretty much unstoppable in the passing game. Wish the Chiefs could move up and take this guy-he is going to be a Touch Down machine.
Yet they still don't have an offensive line to block for Stafford.
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Old 04-23-2014, 09:41 PM   #47
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Yet they still don't have an offensive line to block for Stafford.
Not so fast, my friend. Their O-Line last season was surprisingly good.
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Old 04-23-2014, 09:52 PM   #48
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Yet they still don't have an offensive line to block for Stafford.
Larry Warford destroyed dudes last year and Riley Reiff was pretty solid in his first season starting at LT (especially considering the murderers row of sack artists he faced last season).

In fact, quite the contrary to popular opinion, the Lions offensive line was the second best in the NFL in terms of fewest sacks given up (a mere 23 for the entire season).
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Old 04-23-2014, 11:37 PM   #49
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Question for you milk...

You know that Hali and Jordan can't cover shit if it was stuck to them... so....

If I need to make a play on defense, you'd expect that I'll rush Hali, likely rush Houston, and keep Jordan at home. That seems logical and well within the scope of limitations.

What do you think would happen if I rushed Derrick Johnson and Eric Berry while I dropped Hali, Houston, and Jordan into coverage?

My bets are, the line is completely unsuspecting and it will result in heavy QB pressure immediately, if not a sack. Curious your take. Now I don't expect this 2, 3, or 10 times a game and maybe not every game.

What if I rushed Jordan and Houston, but rotated Berry to cover LOLB flat, DJ to MLB, and Hali dropped to cover ROLB flat?

See what I'm getting at. You don't have to put non-coverage players into coverage situations often, but if you mix them up at the right times in the right mix, you can create some things. You can at least try some things. I didn't see enough of that from Sutton. I think he was bound by the limitations rather than trying to overcome the limitations by selectively pushing beyond those limitations.

But this all feeds into one of my draft rules: Don't draft LBs that can't cover.
And your plan should be successful.. if Poe isn't the only defender with his hand on the turf successfully getting into the backfield.
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Old 04-23-2014, 11:37 PM   #50
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Larry Warford destroyed dudes last year and Riley Reiff was pretty solid in his first season starting at LT (especially considering the murderers row of sack artists he faced last season).

In fact, quite the contrary to popular opinion, the Lions offensive line was the second best in the NFL in terms of fewest sacks given up (a mere 23 for the entire season).
And yet Stafford still couldn't win enough games to make it into the playoffs over the Packers and Bears who were both missing their starting QBs for a large part of the season. He's one of the most overrated QBs in this league. All the weapons in the world that a QB could ask for, a good OL, and still can't score enough points to lead his team to victory.

Stafford is the Champion of the Fantasy Football QB age; tons of yards for lots of fantasy points, but is actually a pretty bad QB who can't win anything.
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Old 04-24-2014, 04:38 PM   #51
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And your plan should be successful.. if Poe isn't the only defender with his hand on the turf successfully getting into the backfield.
We need a defensive lineman that can win 1-on-1 battles. Do you see one in this draft that can routinely do that as a 3-4 player? I don't think there is one that can be that kind of player immediately. If I had to pick one that I think might work out it is Tuitt.

Then we're left with the other side of the coin. If the Chiefs recognize the DEs won't generate enough pressure, then they have to look at the coverage v. blitz schemes from the LBs. They have 2 of 4 LBs that can't cover anything. That is too limiting. Something would have to give, and a player like Van Noy would fit the mold very well.

We'll have to see what KC does but I don't expect an overnight switch. A player like Bailey has to finally step up or something.
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And yet Stafford still couldn't win enough games to make it into the playoffs over the Packers and Bears who were both missing their starting QBs for a large part of the season. He's one of the most overrated QBs in this league. All the weapons in the world that a QB could ask for, a good OL, and still can't score enough points to lead his team to victory.

Stafford is the Champion of the Fantasy Football QB age; tons of yards for lots of fantasy points, but is actually a pretty bad QB who can't win anything.
Absolutely agree.
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Stafford has all the weapons in the world? Megatron and who else? Burleson? Titus Young? Ryan Broyles?
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"The Chiefs are going to be a good defense again in 2014"

...they are? They got their shit pushed in for 1/2 of the season, and embarrassed in the playoffs.
lol you think these retard "analysts" actually watch our games?
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There is a particularly large amount of Lions ignorance in this thread.
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Old 04-29-2014, 03:26 PM   #56
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23: Marqise Lee Kansas City Chiefs (11-5) COLLEGE: USC Class: Jr HT: 5-11 WT: 192 POS: WR Analysis: Given their needs and the depth in this draft, I could see the Chiefs moving down if they can add a pick or two. They don't have one in Round 2 thanks to (the success of) the Alex Smith trade. However, if they stay put, they could use a receiver who can help immediately -- K.C. really is a "win-now" team on the personnel side despite a huge leap in 2013 -- and Lee comes in as a possible steal, given his uneven junior season after he'd firmly established his value for evaluators.

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I wouldn't be disappointed with Lee.

However, I think I'd rather have Moncrief all things considered, if they were going wide receiver at that point.

Bigger, faster, more explosive, younger...I don't think that there is a single thing that Lee does that Moncrief doesn't do better, plus he's got the much higher ceiling due to his two year younger age difference and his substantially bigger size and speed.

I'm still a little befuddled why Moncrief isn't showing up more as a potential Chiefs pick on some of these drafturbator lists. He's got as much upside as any receiver in this draft including Watkins and Evans. In fact, I think that he's going to end up the best receiver out of this draft class. (Take that Jordan Matthews fans.)

I just found a little 2014 WR draft class sweet 16 battle. This one actually features Moncrief vs. Lee. (No one picked Lee. Moncrief in a landslide.)

http://rotoviz.com/index.php/2014/03...onte-moncrief/
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We need a defensive lineman that can win 1-on-1 battles. Do you see one in this draft that can routinely do that as a 3-4 player? I don't think there is one that can be that kind of player immediately. If I had to pick one that I think might work out it is Tuitt.

Then we're left with the other side of the coin. If the Chiefs recognize the DEs won't generate enough pressure, then they have to look at the coverage v. blitz schemes from the LBs. They have 2 of 4 LBs that can't cover anything. That is too limiting. Something would have to give, and a player like Van Noy would fit the mold very well.

We'll have to see what KC does but I don't expect an overnight switch. A player like Bailey has to finally step up or something.
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Aaron Donald.
Do you seriously think that Donald will be there at #23 anyway?

Regardless if he fits the system or not, he'll be long gone by the time the Chiefs pick.
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Do you seriously think that Donald will be there at #23 anyway?

Regardless if he fits the system or not, he'll be long gone by the time the Chiefs pick.
Was just answering his question.

I think Donald could play the 3 tech in the 34 and be just as good as Richardson in NY.
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