Anyone Following The Protests In The Ukraine?

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I've been seeing some impressive pics of protests in Kiev.


Protests against new anti-democratic laws in Ukraine are increasing in intensity, with four citizens reported dead. As you can see in these extraordinary images by Ilya Varlamov, the demonstrators are using rockets made with fireworks. They look like scenes from some science-fiction movie about urban warfare.

The latest reports talk about at least four people killed and hundreds injured by the police. After the massive protests against the government's rejection against the European Union in favor of an alliance with the former Russian oppressors, Kiev officials announced new repressive laws limiting the people's right to protest. These urban battles are the people's reaction to those laws.

Ukraine was a former Soviet Republic, created after a civil war between pro-communist and the Ukrainian People's Republic armies at the beginning of the 20th century, right after the fall of the Russian Empire. The communists won, and the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was established. In theory, it was an independent state, but in fact—like all republics in the USSR and satellite countries—it was under a tight control by the Kremlin.

http://sploid.gizmodo.com/spectacula...rai-1507432049

Pics to follow...

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Originally Posted by ghak99

Wonder what's in it for the midget in the middle.

The appearance of relevance.

[BucEyedPea]

So listo when you going over to the Ukraine to save them or punish Putin?

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

So listo when you going over to the Ukraine to save them or punish Putin?

Hiya BEP, did you purchase a dictionary?

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

So listo when you going over to the Ukraine to save them or punish Putin?

Nobody is even talking about Ukraine anymore. It was a "flavor of the month" story for the NY Times and Washington Post to create a controversy and, of course, provide yet one more attack on that mean nasty gay-hatin President of theirs. But now that even European nations are responding to polls saying they don't want to press it, America is left without any real coalition.


Putin recognized that we were governed by total clowns like Obama-Biden-McCain etc. He did what anyone would do: he laughed his nuts off and ignored them.

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by listopencil

Hiya BEP, did you purchase a dictionary?

I see you're avoiding answering the question.

I don't need a dictionary for sovereignty, which isn't enough for a comprehensive understanding until you apply it to the real world. That takes some deductive reasoning. As I already know what the dictionary definition means, I am just able to apply deductive reasoning to the definition in real life. Plus I know what "supreme" and "authority" mean.

A country can cede part of it's sovereignty via treaties or agreements on trade, security or anything else which makes it no longer supreme in those areas. Or they can fail to protect the integrity of its borders via invasion, war or illegal immigration. I don't see Rome around anymore do you?

Looks like the Ukraine is busting up and needs someone outside their authority to prevent it or to defend them. That's not considered being the "supreme authority" over their country.

Nope.

Hence NOT fully or NO longer sovereign.

Let me know when you can apply the definition in the real world using some deductive reasoning.

So when are you going over to save the Ukraine?

[Prison Bitch]

The lack of any self-awareness by the Bidens here is just astounding:

Jay Carney: Joe Biden's son accepted position with Ukrainian gas company as 'private citizen'
BY SUSAN CRABTREE | MAY 13, 2014 AT 4:26 PM

Vice President Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, has accepted a position with Ukraine's largest private gas producer, but that in no way means the White House signed off on or endorses his hiring, presidential spokesman Jay Carney said Tuesday.

Burisma Holdings announced Tuesday that Hunter Biden, Biden's youngest son, would serve on the company's board of directors.

The company in a news release on its website said Hunter Biden will be in charge of the Burisma's legal unit and will “provide support” among international organizations. The Moscow Times first reported the news Tuesday.


Asked about the hiring by a reporter Tuesday, Carney referred questions about it to the vice president's office and noted that it did not indicate that Obama was involved or approved of it.

“Hunter Biden and other members of the family are obviously private citizens and where they work is not an endorsement by the president or vice president,” he said.

Kendra Barkoff, a spokeswoman for the vice president, did not respond to questions about whether Hunter Biden discussed the job with his father or sought his approval before accepting it.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/jay-ca...rticle/2548379

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

I see you're avoiding answering the question.

I don't need a dictionary for sovereignty, which isn't enough for a comprehensive understanding until you apply it to the real world. That takes some deductive reasoning. As I already know what the dictionary definition means, I am just able to apply deductive reasoning to the definition in real life. Plus I know what "supreme" and "authority" mean.

A country can cede part of it's sovereignty via treaties or agreements on trade, security or anything else which makes it no longer supreme in those areas. Or they can fail to protect the integrity of its borders via invasion, war or illegal immigration. I don't see Rome around anymore do you?

Looks like the Ukraine is busting up and needs someone outside their authority to prevent it or to defend them. That's not considered being the "supreme authority" over their country.

Nope.

Hence NOT fully or NO longer sovereign.

Let me know when you can apply the definition in the real world using some deductive reasoning.

So when are you going over to save the Ukraine?

There is nothing to avoid. Your post was just a weak attempt to paint me as an interventionist. It would appear that your only purpose in this thread is to cover up, for lack of a better term, your cowardice. In other words; as long as you continue to play these word games with yourself you can pretend that what Putin did isn't wrong and use that to validate your isolationism. The simultaneously sad and funny part of all this is that you don't really have to do that. You can adopt the stance that the West should stay out, and defend that stance without becoming an apologist for an aggressive foreign government, and still retain a semblance of lucidity. Unfortunately you've decided to become a cartoon instead. Too bad.

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While you're calling Buc an "apologist", this would be yet another good opportunity to ask on what issues you disagree with the US/Kiev position. After all, you don't want to be Buc's apologist doppelgänger- do you?

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

While you're calling Buc an "apologist", this would be yet another good opportunity to ask on what issues you disagree with the US/Kiev position. After all, you don't want to be Buc's apologist doppelgänger- do you?

Go ahead and define the US/Kiev position.

[Prison Bitch]

Just state your disagreements with the US or Kiev thus far. It's a very simple question Listo.

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Just state your disagreements with the US or Kiev thus far. It's a very simple question Listo.

I am asking you to be more specific because you haven't been honest in this thread, so go ahead and state the positions you are referring to.

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Originally Posted by listopencil

I am asking you to be more specific because you haven't been honest in this thread, so go ahead and state the positions you are referring to.

I think you owe Buc an apology for projecting your own one-sided viewpoints onto her. Projection is a bad human trait Listo. Hopefully you apologize to her.

[go bowe]

did you say something?

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by go bowe

did you say something?

Not to you.

[go bowe]

ad hominem...