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Old 05-21-2014, 06:54 PM  
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Obama and the VA

Ive been pretty busy running my business but this thing has even gotten coverage on KC radio news. Whats the story and why is Obama saying he is mad?
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Old 05-23-2014, 09:09 PM   #76
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One of the biggest (if not the biggest) issue facing the VA is mental health. If you have ever called a VA, mental health is the first thing they talk about.

The problem is that the staff are too overworked and the funding is limited. With limited funds, the only way I know of increasing patient contact would be to bring in cheaper workers such as mid level providers and resident physicians. The government can also be more open minded about novel treatments of mental health by using things like cannabis, LSD, MDMA, and psylobicin.
Limited funding ?
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Old 05-24-2014, 07:21 AM   #77
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Limited funding ?
Is there where you post VA total funding without looking actual funding to VAH, nor do you compare the level of funding to the increased level of care needed after sending Americans to a desert for 10 plus years, plus the increase in Vietnam veterans reaching old age?
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Old 05-24-2014, 07:23 AM   #78
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Is there still anyone out there stupid enough that thinks a single payer health care system is a good idea?
Most of the progs...in fact they've been calling for it immediately after Obamacare passed, that being part of their incremental approach to socializing medicine--not to mention America. They've wanted it since 1912. Can you imagine the shit care we would have had if they got it back then?
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Old 05-24-2014, 07:25 AM   #79
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Most of the progs...in fact they've been calling for it immediately after Obamacare passed, that being part of their incremental approach to socializing medicine--not to mention America. They've wanted it since 1912. Can you imagine the shit care we would have had if they got it back then?
Darn successful medicare and Medicaid.
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Old 05-24-2014, 07:26 AM   #80
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One of the biggest (if not the biggest) issue facing the VA is mental health. If you have ever called a VA, mental health is the first thing they talk about.

The problem is that the staff are too overworked and the funding is limited. With limited funds, the only way I know of increasing patient contact would be to bring in cheaper workers such as mid level providers and resident physicians. The government can also be more open minded about novel treatments of mental health by using things like cannabis, LSD, MDMA, and psylobicin.
LSD for mental health?

What on earth did vets do after the Civil War? I know there were drug addiction issues but what else did they do for care?
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Old 05-24-2014, 07:27 AM   #81
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Darn successful medicare and Medicaid.
Depends of who you're talking to. Doctors have started to turn Medicare patients away because it doesn't pay them enough. Our debt is also an issue because of entitlements. You, no doubt, don't consider that a problem.
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Old 05-24-2014, 07:29 AM   #82
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LSD for mental health?

What on earth did vets do after the Civil War? I know there were drug addiction issues but what else did they do for care?
The Civil War: The Origins of Veterans’ Health Care

http://www.va.gov/health/NewsFeatures/20110413a.asp
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After the war, benefits for Civil War Veterans were restricted to those Veterans who had fought on the Union side; Confederate soldiers were not legally recognized as Veterans until 1958, when they were pardoned by the U.S. Congress for taking up arms against the nation.
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LSD for mental health?
it is being investigated. It appears that it has some efficacy in the tx of alcoholism.
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it is being investigated. It appears that it has some efficacy in the tx of alcoholism.
Vitamin therapy works too. Alcoholics tend to have low B complex, which cause alcohol cravings, which then eats up more of the B complext vitamins.

I'm no expert, but I do read a lot about nutrition and related treatments.
Drugs just treat symptoms not causes. Sounds like they don't really have a solution.
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Vitamin therapy works too. Alcoholics tend to have low B complex, which cause alcohol cravings, which then eats up more of the B complext vitamins.
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I'm no expert, but I do read a lot about nutrition and related treatments.
Drugs just treat symptoms not causes. Sounds like they don't really have a solution.
Thats one way of looking at it, but medications can be a beneficial part of a tx regime. I really dont care how a pt gets better ( meds, vitamins, meditation, God, therapy, etc), I just want people to be better. One way would be allowing research into alternative therapies (including illegal drugs) to investigate their efficacy.
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Senate rejects far-reaching Veterans Affairs bill

Michael Reynolds/EPA - The measure, sponsored by Veterans Affairs Committee Chairman Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), did not garner enough Republican votes to waive a VA spending limit established under the budget Congress and President Obama approved in December.






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A broad Department of Veterans Affairs bill that would have expanded benefits for former service members and repealed a military pension cut for future troops was rejected in the Senate on Thursday.
The measure, sponsored by Veterans Affairs Committee Chairman Bernard Sanders (I-Vt.), did not garner enough Republican votes to waive a VA spending limit established under the budget Congress and President Obama approved in December. Sanders’s office estimated that his legislation, which included more than 140 provisions, would have cost $21 billion over 10 years.


Sen. Sanders to propose bills addressing VA issues

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One of the bills would give the VA secretary greater authority to fire senior executives over performance problems.





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On Tuesday, GOP lawmakers tried to trim the VA bill and add sanctions on Iran for that nation’s nuclear program. Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) blocked those attempts.
Veterans groups expressed frustration with the bill’s failure, saying it fell victim to Washington’s partisan politics. The measure was four votes shy of a 60-vote threshold required for it to have advanced.
“I don’t know how anyone who voted ‘no’ today can look a veteran in the eye and justify that vote,” said Daniel M. Dellinger, national commander of the American Legion. “Our veterans deserve more than what they got today.”

Aside from the costs, Republicans also were concerned that the bill would add more veterans to a system already struggling with extensive wait times at VA health clinics and a long-standing backlog of disability claims. The legislation would have extended the period of time veterans are eligible to enroll in the VA health-care system from five years to 10 years after deployment.
Sen. Richard Burr (N.C.), the ranking Republican on the panel, said on the Senate floor this week that the bill would not provide the resources needed for the program expansions to happen without more frustration and delays for veterans already in the network.

“We have veterans dying from long waits for basic, necessary tests like colonoscopies,” Burr said Thursday. “Veterans waiting for their disability claims to be processed know all about frustrations and delays at the VA, and adding more individuals to an already broken system doesn’t seem wise.”

The legislation called for expanding several veterans benefits, including dental and medical care, educational assistance and the caretaker stipends that currently apply only to post-Sept. 11 veterans. It also required the repeal of a recent cut to the cost-of-living adjustments for future military retirees and would have allowed VA to open 27 new health facilities.
Sanders had said he would be open to paying for the provisions with savings from reduced overseas contingency operations, formerly known as the global war on terrorism. But Republicans indicated that they prefer to dedicate the savings toward deficit reduction.
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Thats one way of looking at it, but medications can be a beneficial part of a tx regime. I really dont care how a pt gets better ( meds, vitamins, meditation, God, therapy, etc), I just want people to be better. One way would be allowing research into alternative therapies (including illegal drugs) to investigate their efficacy.
I'm fine on alternative therapies.
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