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Old 06-10-2014, 06:58 AM  
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White House shifts blame to Hagel for terrorist swap

Now the White House says Hagel made final call on Bergdahl as criticism of Obama over prisoner swap mounts

*Congress learned on Monday that Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel gave final approval for the prisoner exchange that freed Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl
*Last week, Hagel said the swap was a unanimous decision made by senior officials
*Hagel is expected to defend the prisoner exchange on Wednesday in an appearance before the House Armed Services Committee


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PUBLISHED: 01:05 EST, 10 June 2014 | UPDATED: 01:05 EST, 10 June 2014


FInal approval for the prisoner exchange that freed Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl was made by Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel, members of Congress learned on Monday from administration officials.

'They indicated (it was) Secretary Hagel (who made the final call),' Rep. Buck McKeon (R-CA) said after a classified briefing, ABC points out.

'It was the president of the United States that came out (in the Rose Garden) with the Bergdahls and took all the credit and now that there’s been a little pushback he’s moving away from it and it’s Secretary Hagel?'

Last week, Hagel said the swap was a unanimous decision when speaking to the BBC.

'It was the Secretary of Defense, Secretary of State, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Director of National Intelligence, Attorney General,' he said.

'It was our judgement based on the information that we had that his life, his health were in peril,' Hagel also told the channel in defense of not giving Congress 30 days' notice of the plan.

'Can you imagine if we would have waited or taken the chance of leaks over a 30-day period?' Hagel said.

Congress was upset to learn on Monday that 80 to 90 people in the Obama administration knew of the exchange - but that no Republicans or Democrats in the House were told.

'It strikes me as unfortunate that they could have 80 to 90 people in the administration aware of what was happening and not be able to trust a single Republican or Democrat in the House or the Senate,' Rep. Greg Walden (R-OR), said, Reuters points out.

''There was a sense of anger that members of Congress didn’t know about this,' Rep. Michelle Bachmann (R-MN) said to reporters after the briefing, ABC notes. 'Obviously, if there is secure information — members of Congress knew about the capture of Osama bin Laden — and yet 80 to 90 staff in the White House knew about this.'

Hagel is expected to defend the prisoner exchange on Wednesday in an appearance before the House Armed Services Committee.
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Old 06-11-2014, 11:53 AM   #76
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Can we trade Hagel Obama to get Shinseki back?

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Old 06-11-2014, 12:56 PM   #77
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So, first, it's not clear that there is any "blame" to actually pass. The whole story about Bergdorf is rather muddled, to say the least, and it doesn't appear that Obama is in any way retracting his position that this was a move he fully supported regardless of what others think.

Second, I've yet to see any corroboration on this from anyone else. While the dailymail isn't a bad paper, it's not exactly the WSJ or London Times, and it's more than a bit strange that a one-off story from a British newspaper hasn't been corroborated on or commented on other than by right wing blogs and the like. I'll continue to reserve judgment until things develop a bit more.
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Old 06-11-2014, 01:29 PM   #78
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It's Bergdahl--NOT Bergdorf! The latter is a fancy-smanchy upscale store. So now we know where you shop with this Freudian slip, Amnorix as well as why you suffer from blindness.
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Old 06-11-2014, 01:30 PM   #79
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I guess that's up to interpretation.
I guess. I don't see any reason to doubt it though.

On the one hand we have

* a person willing to go on record under his own name giving eyewitness testimony
* a constantly changing story from the administration
* no democrat denial
* a history of "lead from behind" and "vote present" behavior from this president

On the other hand we have, what? The presumption of innocence until overwhelming evidence proves otherwise?
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Old 06-11-2014, 01:34 PM   #80
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Thanks.

I just feel that it's a perception thing. The world is a game. You have to play the game in order to win. I feel that the Dems do a better job of playing the game than Republicans do.

Take the Michelle/Twitter thing for example.

She's clearly manipulating. She's reaching out to the masses. It's a PR move with no substance at all. How did republicans respond to that? By bitching about the sign and making themselves appear out of touch. So who wins there? The dems do.

It's a PR move with no substance, but the Dems get to look like heroes while the Republicans get to look like grumpy, out of touch old men.

You don't have to like the game, but if you wanna win you need to play by it.

That's how i feel anyway.
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When We were fired up out at the bars that big scary giant would yell "yo whitey" at the top of his lungs not realizing how every white person is looking down at the floor shitting their pants when all he was doing was trying to get me to come over and do a shot or whatever.

Heh, just stuck traveling and thought I'd lighten the mood.
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Old 06-11-2014, 01:41 PM   #81
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Quick story: when I was living back in Harrisburg PA one of my best friends was a huge black dude named JP. The guy was 6' 3" and im guessing 350 lbs. The guy literally took up the space of three normal people. My nickname is "whitey" because of my last name.

When We were fired up out at the bars that big scary giant would yell "yo whitey" at the top of his lungs not realizing how every white person is looking down at the floor shitting their pants when all he was doing was trying to get me to come over and do a shot or whatever.

Heh, just stuck traveling and thought I'd lighten the mood.
Heh. When i graduated HS me, my closest friend (this 6-3" black dude) and my GF got an apt together. Then we got a black cat. My black roommate decided to name the cat "****er". It was all in fun obviously, but it was really awkward for me and my GF when a black guy we didn't know so well would come around....heh.

"What's your cats name?"

".....uhhh....Blackie..."
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Old 06-11-2014, 01:44 PM   #82
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I guess. I don't see any reason to doubt it though.

On the one hand we have

* a person willing to go on record under his own name giving eyewitness testimony
* a constantly changing story from the administration
* no democrat denial
* a history of "lead from behind" and "vote present" behavior from this president

On the other hand we have, what? The presumption of innocence until overwhelming evidence proves otherwise?
My hang up is with the word "indicated". Indicated is not definitive, which means to me that what was said was left up to interpretation...and that's how he interpreted it.

I hear what your saying...but just like there is no democrat denial, there isn't any republican outcry either.....which leads me to believe its a non-story.
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Old 06-11-2014, 01:45 PM   #83
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Heh. When i graduated HS me, my closest friend (this 6-3" black dude) and my GF got an apt together. Then we got a black cat. My black roommate decided to name the cat "****er". It was all in fun obviously, but it was really awkward for me and my GF when a black guy we didn't know so well would come around....heh.
Yeah, that seems ... ill advised. Sticking your head out the door and yelling for the cat to come in must have been fun.
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Old 06-11-2014, 01:47 PM   #84
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Yeah, that seems ... ill advised. Sticking your head out the door and yelling for the cat to come in must have been fun.
Haha....my sister in law eventually came around and renamed it "amigo".
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Old 06-11-2014, 02:11 PM   #85
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I guess. I don't see any reason to doubt it though.

On the one hand we have

* a person willing to go on record under his own name giving eyewitness testimony
* a constantly changing story from the administration
* no democrat denial
* a history of "lead from behind" and "vote present" behavior from this president

On the other hand we have, what? The presumption of innocence until overwhelming evidence proves otherwise?

'They indicated (it was) Secretary Hagel (who made the final call),' Rep. Buck McKeon (R-CA) said.

There 11 words in that quote.
7 are in parenthesis.
2 are Hagel's name

"They" refers to an unknown person(s)
"Indicated," as already mentioned, means it is McKeon's interpretation of what was said.

Good quote though.
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Old 06-11-2014, 05:52 PM   #86
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I guess. I don't see any reason to doubt it though.

On the one hand we have

* a person willing to go on record under his own name giving eyewitness testimony
* a constantly changing story from the administration
* no democrat denial
* a history of "lead from behind" and "vote present" behavior from this president

On the other hand we have, what? The presumption of innocence until overwhelming evidence proves otherwise?
I think they are trying to leave this incident intentionally obscure. They've done this on Benghazi, the IRS, and other scandals. If no one ever admits anything then no one ever has to take the hit for it, they hope.

It's not a bad idea. Create just enough noise to (you hope) cloud things in the mind of the public, and then just clam up until they decide that they'll never know what really happened.
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Old 06-12-2014, 09:27 AM   #87
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'They indicated (it was) Secretary Hagel (who made the final call),' Rep. Buck McKeon (R-CA) said.

There 11 words in that quote.
7 are in parenthesis.
2 are Hagel's name

"They" refers to an unknown person(s)
"Indicated," as already mentioned, means it is McKeon's interpretation of what was said.

Good quote though.
There's more words here, and shockingly they still add up to the same story about this keystone kops administration.

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Old 06-12-2014, 09:47 AM   #88
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