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Old 06-08-2014, 03:27 PM  
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Texas GOP endorses 'reparative therapy' for gays

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FORT WORTH, Texas (AP) The Texas Republican Party now endorses so-called "reparative therapy" for gays, under a new platform given final approval at its annual convention Saturday.

The new anti-gay language never came up for debate before roughly 7,000 delegates ratified a Texas GOP platform that tea party groups succeeded in pushing further to the right, including winning a harder line on immigration.

One influential tea party group called Texas Eagle Forum had urged the party to support psychological treatments that seek to turn gay people straight. It comes after Republican New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie last fall signed a law banning such therapies on minors, and California has a similar law.

The Fort Worth Convention Hall cheered when party leaders announced that Christie finished a distant 11th in a 2016 presidential straw poll.

"There's a very, very small group of people who want to keep the party in the past. We were here today to try to pull the party into the future," said Rudy Oeftering, vice president of the gay conservative group Metroplex Republicans. "The only way the party can go into the future is to start listening to young people, to start listening to people who have gay family members."

Oeftering and allies had lined up to speak against the therapy language that had been added earlier this week. But they never got a chance to address delegates, because a parliamentary motion to approve the full platform was called first.

Under the new plank, the Texas GOP recognizes "the legitimacy and efficacy of counseling, which offers reparative therapy and treatment for those patients seeking healing and wholeness from their homosexual lifestyle."

The American Psychological Association and other major health organizations have condemned such counseling, which generally try to change a person's sexual orientation or to lessen their interest in engaging in same-sex sexual activity. The groups say the practice should not be used on minors because of the danger of serious psychological harm.

"The platform reflects what the people in the Republican Party have asked for, and that should be no surprise: family values, protection of marriage between one man and one woman and everything that goes along with that," said Jonathan Saenz, president of the conservative group Texas Values and a convention delegate.

Gay conservatives did come away with a rare victory at the convention: Winning the removal of decades-old language in the state party platform that states, "homosexuality tears at the fabric of society."
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Old 06-15-2014, 05:43 PM   #76
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People are welcome to seek therapy regarding their struggles with sexuality. They just won't find a counselor who says they will be able to "cure" you. But as long as that is clear with the client and the therapist from the beginning then subsequent counseling is perfectly acceptable.
Yeah, I don't know about "cure", but I would think that behavioral changes are possible. I wouldn't compare it to alcoholism. I would compare it more to someone who is trying to quit smoking. To be clear: I honestly don't think there is anything inherently wrong with homosexual behavior so I'm not trying to say that homosex=smoking, eeew it's wrong and dangerous. I could not give one rat's ass nor a single flying **** what consenting adults do to each other in their bedrooms. I'm looking at it from the point of view of someone who feels compelled to engage in behavior that they, themselves, find objectionable. I don't see the sense in denying them a process that may help them control that compulsion.
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Old 06-15-2014, 06:20 PM   #77
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Old 06-15-2014, 07:19 PM   #79
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Listo suggested a "live and let live" policy towards fellow citizens and I completely agree that Libs need to hear and embrace that message instead of trying to get people fired for even disagreeing with them
I was thinking of this very thing but had to go as my company arrived. Sue a baker for not making you a cake even when a baker down the street will make you one with rainbows even. Then get some govt agent on the baker for forced sensitivity training. ( this actually happened). Or force a founder of a company out of their job, because he doesn't support or vote like you on an issue. Just try and to that to one of their so called "victim" groups. They'd be screamin'!

It's not a matter of just disagreeing with a conservative opinion about something which is fine they have to force others to choose their way just as much.

They are NOT tolerant of differing political opinion only when they want to worm their way into govt control. Then it ends. They are NOT for live and let live. If they were they'd be worthy of the label "liberal" aka "classical liberal."
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Yeah, I don't know about "cure", but I would think that behavioral changes are possible. I wouldn't compare it to alcoholism. I would compare it more to someone who is trying to quit smoking. To be clear: I honestly don't think there is anything inherently wrong with homosexual behavior so I'm not trying to say that homosex=smoking, eeew it's wrong and dangerous. I could not give one rat's ass nor a single flying **** what consenting adults do to each other in their bedrooms. I'm looking at it from the point of view of someone who feels compelled to engage in behavior that they, themselves, find objectionable. I don't see the sense in denying them a process that may help them control that compulsion.
I don't care what people do inside their own countries under their morals or customs. Especially if the women there subscribe to a particular religion we don't like. It doesn't mean I always like it, or cannot have an opinion about it.
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Old 06-15-2014, 07:25 PM   #81
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You didn't say it should be available? Not that it is available? And no, you won't find so done that will say they can cure you (reparative therapy) because that assumes it is a mental disorder, which the mental health professions do not.
Do you actually read what I write? All I backed was the market place where something should be available and an individual deciding on his own if he wants to partake in it. Do you know what a market place is? I mean a free market place and how it works? Anything under the sun can be offered and if there's a market for it they can be in business. If not they go out of business. If they commit fraud or make promises that don't materialize there are remedies for that.

As to "cures"...I said that profession claims they don't have cures.

May I ask what it is you don't understand?
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I don't care what people do inside their own countries under their morals or customs. Especially if the women there subscribe to a particular religion we don't like. It doesn't mean I always like it, or cannot have an opinion about it.
I don't follow the point you are making here, within the context of this conversation.
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Do you actually read what I write? All I backed was the market place where something should be available and an individual deciding on his own if he wants to partake in it. Do you know what a market place is? I mean a free market place and how it works? Anything under the sun can be offered and if there's a market for it they can be in business. If not they go out of business. If they commit fraud or make promises that don't materialize there are remedies for that.

As to "cures"...I said that profession claims they don't have cures.

May I ask what it is you don't understand?
It IS available. Just not in the sense that you can be cured from it (changed sexuality) as you can with other afflictions. If you don't like that, tough luck. If someone wants a non professional then I they are welcome to go talk with their friends about it. Any professional claiming a cure is unethical with no evidence to support their "treatment."

The cures/profession thing is not relevant because seeking and offering a cure first assumes it is a mental disorder. Since that isn't the case, just saying "no cure" as an insult is meaningless. May I ask what you don't understand?
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