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Old 07-02-2014, 04:10 PM  
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Feds sue Wisc business for English requirement

Disgusting. I know that we don't have an "official language" but it's understood as such.

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Federal Gov’t Sues Wisconsin Company, Says English-Language Requirement is 'Discrimination'
July 2, 2014 - 3:05 PM
By Brittany M. Hughes


Federal Gov’t Sues Wisconsin Company Over ‘Discriminating’ English-Language Requirement
(CNSNews.com) -- The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), a federal agency tasked with enforcing workplace discrimination laws, is suing a private American business for firing a group of Hispanic and Asian employees over their inability to speak English at work, claiming that the English-language requirement in a U.S. business constitutes “discrimination.”

Judicial Watch reported Tuesday that the government is accusing Wisconsin Plastics, Inc. of violating Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibits discrimination based on “national origin.” The government argues this includes the “linguistic characteristics of a national origin group.”

Irene Garcia, the blog editor and Spanish media liaison for Judicial Watch, called the EEOC’s accusation “ludicrous.”

“That’s ludicrous and an overreaching of government,” Garcia told CNSNews.com. “If you are a private company in the United States, you should be able to require your employees to speak English.”

According to a news release from the EEOC, Chicago Regional Attorney John C. Hendrickson said the Green Bay-based company’s English requirement is based on “superficial” reasoning.

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"Our experience at the EEOC has been that so-called 'English only' rules and requirements of English fluency are often employed to make what is really discrimination appear acceptable. But superficial appearances are not fooling anyone,” Hendrickson said in the release. “When speaking English fluently is not, in fact, required for the safe and effective performance of a job, nor for the successful operation of the employer’s business, requiring employees to be fluent in English usually constitutes employment discrimination on the basis of national origin — and thus violates federal law.”

But Garcia said the ability to speak English is necessary for employees of Wisconsin Plastics, Inc., but that the employees in question “were not able to speak English at any kind of level that would be considered proficient.”

“In this case some English is necessary to communicate with supervisors and stuff like that, and the EEOC just went after this private company because some employees were being marked down for not having English skills. So that doesn’t really make sense,” she said.

Federal Gov’t Sues Wisconsin Company Over ‘Discriminating’ English-Language Requirement
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Garcia added that the lawsuit, filed on June 9, is just the latest in a slew of attempts by the EEOC and the Obama administration to go after American businesses for so-called “discrimination.” She cited numerous cases in which the EEOC has accused businesses of discriminating by requiring workers to speak English, running background and criminal checks, and enforcing company-wide restrictions on head coverings, including those worn by some Muslim women.

“We’ve seen some decisions that are kind of radical that we haven’t seen in the past, under Republican or Democrat administrations,” she said, claiming the EEOC under the Obama administration is “on a roll.”

Many lawsuits brought by the EEOC subjectively twist the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to include things it was never meant to cover, Garcia added.

“We’re seeing a lot of these kinds of law suits using his civil rights law to sue on behalf of all these different causes that I believe violate the spirit of the law,” Garcia explained.

“In terms of religious and language rights under the Civil Rights Act, that’s what the administration is using to offer and extend protects when really and truly there’s no place for them [in the law],” she said.
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Old 07-03-2014, 10:12 AM   #31
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Some day I might actually have a stroke, if you ever addressed the substance of an issue being discussed instead of tossing around your stupid and irrelevant 'oh snaps.'
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Old 07-03-2014, 10:17 AM   #32
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Old 07-03-2014, 10:39 AM
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Some day I might actually have a stroke, if you ever addressed the substance of an issue being discussed instead of tossing around your stupid and irrelevant 'oh snaps.'
that's rich considering what you posted towards banyon and just about everyone else anymore.
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Old 07-03-2014, 10:46 AM   #34
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that's rich considering what you posted towards banyon and just about everyone else anymore.
I attributed the behavior change to hormone treatments. They really need some adjustment. A stroke is another plausible theory.
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Old 07-03-2014, 11:44 AM   #35
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that's rich considering what you posted towards banyon and just about everyone else anymore.
What is non-substantive about pointing out that banyon was expressing a, perhaps overly, trusting view of Federal prerogatives?

banyon suggests that this case looks suspect because the EEOC is holding back super cereal super damning evidence against this employer for some reason. He offers no evidence that this is the case, but posits it must be, ostensibly because the Feds would never, heaven forfend, pursue shaky cases.
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Old 07-03-2014, 12:57 PM   #36
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... but posits it must be, ostensibly because the Feds would never, heaven forfend, pursue shaky cases.
Especially under this administration's govt. Isn't that called prima facie evidence? I think so. That's what claims of women not making the same pay for the same work relies on. It's not true though that they make less from discrimination, once examined more closely. It doesn't stop this administration from going after some people though.
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What is non-substantive about pointing out that banyon was expressing a, perhaps overly, trusting view of Federal prerogatives?

banyon suggests that this case looks suspect because the EEOC is holding back super cereal super damning evidence against this employer for some reason. He offers no evidence that this is the case, but posits it must be, ostensibly because the Feds would never, heaven forfend, pursue shaky cases.
Maybe if you weren't stroked out, you would have realized that it would have been best to go to the actual EEOC press release instead of relying on cns.com (who is a shit "news" site).

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According to John Rowe, director of the EEOC's Chicago District, which includes Wisconsin, the EEOC's pre-suit administrative investigation revealed that WPI fired the Hmong and Hispanic employees based on 10-minute observations that marked them down for their English skills, even though those skills were not needed to perform their jobs. All of those fired had received satisfactory ratings on their annual performance evaluations while working for WPI's Modern Plastics Division

Such alleged conduct violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which protects employees from discrimination based on national origin, which includes the linguistic characteristics of a national origin group. The federal agency sued after first trying to resolve the matter without litigation through its statutory conciliation process. The suit, captioned EEOC v. Wisconsin Plastics, Inc. (Civil Action No. 1:14-cv-00663), was filed in federal court in Green Bay and assigned to U.S. District Judge William Griesbach. The EEOC seeks lost wages and compensatory and punitive damages for the discharged employees and injunctive relief to end the discriminatory practices.
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Old 07-03-2014, 01:16 PM   #38
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I assume the fired employees in question are legal? If not, the government is now suing American businessess for firing illegal aliens?

Funny how this article glossed over that extremly relevant point.
It's not a point if it's not true.
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Old 07-03-2014, 01:21 PM   #39
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Maybe if you weren't stroked out, you would have realized that it would have been best to go to the actual EEOC press release instead of relying on cns.com (who is a shit "news" site).
A blanket allegation that has no bearing on my assessment of banyon's faith.

Relation of English fluency to BFOQ is an ipsa loquitur question of fact.
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Maybe if you weren't stroked out, you would have realized that it would have been best to go to the actual EEOC press release instead of relying on cns.com (who is a shit "news" site).
Maybe if you weren't so focused on finding a way to criticize Baby Lee, you'd be a better, more skeptical consumer of government press releases.

From the release you posted:

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Such alleged conduct violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which protects employees from discrimination based on national origin, which includes the linguistic characteristics of a national origin group.
Here's a link to Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Can you find anything about linguistic characteristics in it?

The truth is that this press release doesn't really answer any of the important questions, except that it notes that the fired employees have had satisfactory reviews in the past. It claims that language is not "needed" in these jobs, but it's hard to think of jobs where communication has no importance at all. In other words, we're still in the dark about the important details here.
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The truth is that this press release doesn't really answer any of the important questions, except that it notes that the fired employees have had satisfactory reviews in the past. It claims that language is not "needed" in these jobs, but it's hard to think of jobs where communication has no importance at all. In other words, we're still in the dark about the important details here.
Pretty much.
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What is non-substantive about pointing out that banyon was expressing a, perhaps overly, trusting view of Federal prerogatives?

banyon suggests that this case looks suspect because the EEOC is holding back super cereal super damning evidence against this employer for some reason. He offers no evidence that this is the case, but posits it must be, ostensibly because the Feds would never, heaven forfend, pursue shaky cases.
No. I didn't assume that the feds put all their cards on the table because there are usually ethical rules about publicly commenting on a pending case in a ay that could potentially prejudice a jury.

So you targeted the wrong assumption.
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