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Old 07-08-2014, 03:55 AM  
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Obama ditching Hillary for ‘Mini-Me’ Elizabeth Warren

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Obama ditching Hillary for ‘Mini-Me’ Elizabeth Warren

President Obama is going to renege on his campaign promise to Bill Clinton and press for Sen. Elizabeth Warren — not Hillary Rodham Clinton — to be the Democratic candidate for the White House in 2016, said “Blood Feud” author Edward Klein.

Writing in the New York Post, Mr. Klein said: “Publicly, Obama has remained noncommittal on the 2016 race, but privately he worries that Clinton would undo and undermine many of his policies. There’s also a personal animosity, especially with Bill Clinton, that dates from their tough race six years ago.

“Obama has authorized his chief political adviser, Valerie Jarrett, to conduct a full-court press to convince Warren to throw her hat into the ring,” Mr. Klein wrote. “In the past several weeks, Jarrett has held a series of secret meetings with Warren. During these meetings, Jarrett has explained to Warren that Obama is worried that if Hillary succeeds him in the White House, she will undo many of his policies.”

Mr. Klein said similarly on “Fox & Friends” Monday morning, calling Mrs. Warren a big draw for the progressive-minded who have cheered many of Mr. Obama’s policies.

Mr. Klein also said that Mr. Obama considers Ms. Warren a true supporter who would carry on his legacy in the executive office.

Ms. Warren has said that she has no plans to run for the White House, but hasn’t completely shut the door on the option, Fox News reported.

Mr. Clinton, Mr. Klein writes, has privately feared an Obama renege, telling his closest friends that the president is “looking around for a candidate who’s just like him. Someone relatively unknown. Someone with a fresh face. He wants to clone himself — to find his Mini-Me.”
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Old 07-09-2014, 10:12 AM   #46
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The Government originates all student loans (Federally backed loans) and private banks service them.

There are still private loans out there.
Yes, I am familiar. Direct Loans sold my loan servicing to some idiots and now they offer no way for me to make additional principal only payments without writing in in every time on a paper check. Also their website has only about 1/2 the info that the Direct Loans page used to have about my loan.
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Old 07-09-2014, 10:14 AM   #47
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Yes, I am familiar. Direct Loans sold my loan servicing to some idiots and now they offer no way for me to make additional principal only payments without writing in in every time on a paper check. Also their website has only about 1/2 the info that the Direct Loans page used to have about my loan.
I feel your pain. That's how my car loan is.
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Old 07-09-2014, 10:14 AM   #48
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My memory is that his plan included a public option and Hillary's didn't, which is one reason I supported him over her (and a reason I did not support him the next time around).
Here is what I found

http://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files....m_proposal.pdf

Mr. Obama would strive for universal coverage by establishing a new federal health plan for the uninsured, providing benefits comparable to those offered to federal employees. Premiums would be subsidized for low earners. Eligibility for other public programs — Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Plan — would be expanded. Mr. Obama also would establish a government exchange that would allow individuals to shop for the new public planand approved private plans.

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/pr...es/health.html
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Old 07-09-2014, 10:15 AM   #49
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I know you supported Obama and probably conveniently forgot that but his plan was never single payer. It is basically what we got now
My support for Obama was short lived and centered primarily around him talking like a tea partier in his early campaigning. Of course, he way lying, but at the time it was refreshing to hear a Democrat talking like a libertarian conservative. I'm not sure why you felt the need to shoe horn that in there, but you're a petty person...
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Old 07-09-2014, 10:18 AM   #50
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My memory is that his plan included a public option and Hillary's didn't, which is one reason I supported him over her (and a reason I did not support him the next time around).
I don't believe it was ever part of his official plan that I remember but he did talk about it.

Which goes back to what Pat and I were talking about.

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By December 2007, however, Obama clearly had endorsed a government-run option. In a speech at the Iowa Heartland Presidential Forum, the then-Senator declared that if he "were designing a system from scratch" he would "probably move more in the direction of a single-payer plan,"

"But what we have to do right now," Obama added, "is I want to move to make sure that everybody has got coverage as quickly as possible. And I believe that what that means is we expand SCHIP. It means that we extend eligibility for some of the government programs that we have. We set up a government program, as I've described, that everybody can buy into and you can't be excluded because of a pre-existing condition."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/1..._n_401204.html
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Old 07-09-2014, 10:25 AM   #51
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Here is what I found

http://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files....m_proposal.pdf

Mr. Obama would strive for universal coverage by establishing a new federal health plan for the uninsured, providing benefits comparable to those offered to federal employees. Premiums would be subsidized for low earners. Eligibility for other public programs — Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Plan — would be expanded. Mr. Obama also would establish a government exchange that would allow individuals to shop for the new public planand approved private plans.

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/pr...es/health.html
I don't remember it being an official part of his plan though. Could be wrong on that.


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Some liberals are upset with this statement President Obama made to the Washington Post: "I didn't campaign on the public option."

The liberal group Progressive Change Campaign Committee is up a with new TV ad in response, which will run in D.C. and Wisconsin (to influence Sen. Russ Feingold). "President Obama should frankly feel ashamed that he promised Americans a public option, got people to believe real change was possible, and then never truly fought for it -- instead, pushing an insurance mandate that he specifically campaigned against," said the PCCC's Adam Green. "Hopefully, our ad inspires one brave senator to represent the will of the people and insist that a public option be in any final bill."

As we've written before, the words "public option" didn't appear in any Obama campaign speech we can remember; they didn't come up during the debates; and they didn't surface in TV ads. Remember when Obama and Hillary Clinton dominated the MSNBC debate with Brian Williams and Tim Russert with 16 minutes of health-care discussion, the words "public option" were never uttered.

It is true that a public plan was part of Obama's health-care plan, and it's also true that the public option was an idea being debated in policy-wonk circles during the campaign.

But, from our vantage point as reporters who covered the presidential campaign, Obama's quote to the Washington Post appears to be correct.

And here's Huffington Post's Sam Stein's take: "An examination of approximately 200 newspaper articles from the campaign, as well as debate transcripts and public speeches shows that Obama spoke remarkably infrequently about creating a government-run insurance program. Indeed, when he initially outlined his health care proposals during a speech before the University of Iowa on March 29, 2007, he described setting up a system that resembles the current Senate compromise - in which private insurers would operate in a non-profit entity that was regulated heavily by a government entity."

Now, there's no doubt that Obama broke a promise on mandates. And he's had to answer for that in interviews with reporters. It's certainly accurate to say that he campaigned against a mandate. Remember, Clinton was in favor a mandate and much of the debate on health care centered around THAT word. And because of the mandate, the irony for the left -- now up in arms about mandates -- is that her plan was the one that was seen as the more liberal.
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Old 07-09-2014, 10:27 AM   #52
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I don't remember it being an official part of his plan though. Could be wrong on that.
I remember it. I just don't think the media pressed him on it much because the economy and terrorism were the focus of the election, not health care.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...touted-public/

– In the 2008 Obama-Biden health care plan on the campaign’s website, candidate Obama promised that “any American will have the opportunity to enroll in [a] new public plan.” [2008]
– During a speech at the American Medical Association, President Obama told thousands of doctors that one of the plans included in the new health insurance exchanges “needs to be a public option that will give people a broader range of choices and inject competition into the health care market.” [6/15/09]
– While speaking to the nation during his weekly address, the President said that “any plan” he signs “must include…a public option.” [7/17/09]
– During a conference call with progressive bloggers, the President said he continues “to believe that a robust public option would be the best way to go.” [7/20/09]
– Obama told NBC’s David Gregory that a public option “should be a part of this [health care bill],” while rebuking claims that the plan was “dead.” [9/20/09]
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Old 07-09-2014, 10:29 AM   #53
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My support for Obama was short lived and centered primarily around him talking like a tea partier in his early campaigning. Of course, he way lying, but at the time it was refreshing to hear a Democrat talking like a libertarian conservative. I'm not sure why you felt the need to shoe horn that in there, but you're a petty person...
I am just pointing out the facts to you because you make up shit all the time and pull things out of your ass. Sorry the truth hurts your vagina.
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Dave is right and Obama didn't prefer it. He even mocked Hillary for her plan IIRC.
Obama is thankful for gullible people like you.
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Old 07-09-2014, 10:38 AM   #55
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I remember it. I just don't think the media pressed him on it much because the economy and terrorism were the focus of the election, not health care.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...touted-public/

– In the 2008 Obama-Biden health care plan on the campaign’s website, candidate Obama promised that “any American will have the opportunity to enroll in [a] new public plan.” [2008]
– During a speech at the American Medical Association, President Obama told thousands of doctors that one of the plans included in the new health insurance exchanges “needs to be a public option that will give people a broader range of choices and inject competition into the health care market.” [6/15/09]
– While speaking to the nation during his weekly address, the President said that “any plan” he signs “must include…a public option.” [7/17/09]
– During a conference call with progressive bloggers, the President said he continues “to believe that a robust public option would be the best way to go.” [7/20/09]
– Obama told NBC’s David Gregory that a public option “should be a part of this [health care bill],” while rebuking claims that the plan was “dead.” [9/20/09]
He definitely spoke about it no doubt about it. I wish he had supported single payer but for anyone to say he was for single payer is wrong.

And John Edwards was the first to purpose a public option. Good read on it. http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/29/6/1117.full
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First off she contends that students are getting taken advantage of on the whole via rates, which is bullshit. She frequently mis-represents who is loaning the money now, it's the Federal Government. Private banks no longer do student loans.
She also wants people to be able to re-finance. Is that bullshit too?
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Apparently everyone forgot that Obama and the Dems tried for single payer. The dropped it when the CBO delivered a report that projected that premiums for a public option would be higher than premiums for private insurance. After that, Democrats went scampering from single payer and attempted to Federalize Mitt Romney's plan for the state of Massachusetts. Nobody wanted single payer after that because it was politically in-viable.
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