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Old 07-25-2014, 01:00 PM  
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Pentagon: Russia getting ready to send more powerful weapons into Ukraine

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/25/world/...tml?hpt=hp_bn2

Washington (CNN) -- Russia is preparing the transfer of more powerful weaponry into Ukraine, and it could happen at any time, a Pentagon spokesman said Friday, citing the latest U.S. intelligence.

The transfer could be "imminent," the spokesman, Col. Steve Warren, told reporters. It's believed the weaponry will be driven into Ukraine "potentially today," he said, but it is not clear if Russian troops will be involved.

State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf also warned of the possibility Thursday, telling reporters, "We have new evidence that the Russians intend to deliver heavier and more powerful multiple rocket launchers to the separatist forces in Ukraine and have evidence that Russia is firing artillery from within Russia to attack Ukrainian military positions."

The United States has imagery showing weaponry, with burn marks in the grass, on the Russian side of the border, indicating that artillery was fired, a U.S. official tells CNN. The images remain classified and were not shared with CNN.

The Russian military has more powerful rocket launcher systems than the ones that have been sent across the border in the past. Intelligence indicates just under a dozen systems may be part of this latest shipment, according to a U.S. official.

Everything Russia is doing, Warren said, is "unquestionably an escalation."

Earlier Friday, the European Union stepped up pressure against Russians and others it blames for fomenting the crisis in Ukraine, banning visas and freezing the assets of 15 more people and 18 more companies and organizations.

The EU's move, which aims to punish those supporting a months-long pro-Russian rebellion in eastern Ukraine, comes as international pressure was stepped up on the rebels in a related issue: the discovery and return of more victims' remains from last week's crash of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 in rebel-held territory.

Details about who was sanctioned Friday weren't immediately available. But the EU and the United States previously have targeted Russians and Ukrainians they say have assisted the rebellion and Russia's annexation in March of the Ukrainian Black Sea peninsula of Crimea -- such as Vladimir Shamanov, commander of Russian airborne troops.

The move brings the total number of EU sanctions in the Ukraine crisis to 87, and the number of entities to 20. The EU on Friday also widened its criteria for future sanctions, saying it would now look to punish not only those who are aiding the rebellion, but also those benefiting "from Russian decision makers responsible" for it.
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Old 07-25-2014, 01:13 PM   #2
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Are these the ones coming from England? As you heard, business is booming in the England arms industry. Doubled their sales to Russia in just the last year.
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Old 07-25-2014, 02:08 PM   #3
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Are these the ones coming from England? As you heard, business is booming in the England arms industry. Doubled their sales to Russia in just the last year.
I don't know. I presume you don't either.
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Old 07-25-2014, 02:39 PM   #4
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You're right, we don't know. With all the weapon being sold by Ukraine's "allies" to Russia, one might point out its actually England + France who are the ones violating the Budapest Memorandum. Right?
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Old 07-25-2014, 02:59 PM   #5
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You're right, we don't know. With all the weapon being sold by Ukraine's "allies" to Russia, one might point out its actually England + France who are the ones violating the Budapest Memorandum. Right?
Does the Budapest Memorandum preclude arms sales to Russia?
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Old 07-25-2014, 03:16 PM   #6
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Does the Budapest Memorandum preclude arms sales to Russia?
I don't know. I presume you don't either.
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Old 07-25-2014, 03:29 PM   #7
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Old 07-25-2014, 03:29 PM   #8
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I don't know. I presume you don't either.
Kind of odd that you brought it up then.
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Old 07-25-2014, 06:42 PM   #9
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Well, it's important info to know. Since we blamed Putin for allowing arms to travel to the insurgents ("If he wanted to control his border...." - Obama), we may have to start blaming Cameron & Hollande & Merkel if any of their weapons start finding their way to the insurgents too.
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Old 07-25-2014, 11:21 PM   #10
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Well, it's important info to know. Since we blamed Putin for allowing arms to travel to the insurgents ("If he wanted to control his border...." - Obama), we may have to start blaming Cameron & Hollande & Merkel if any of their weapons start finding their way to the insurgents too.

Are the insurgents getting arms from those countries direct?
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What difference at this point, does it make?
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Old 07-25-2014, 11:51 PM   #12
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What difference at this point, does it make?
agreed. I'll also take what the Pentagon has to say with a grain of salt.

They are the same group who will chastize Russia for arming ukrain rebels as the US does the same thing for Syrian rebels. hypocricy much?
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agreed. I'll also take what the Pentagon has to say with a grain of salt.

They are the same group who will chastize Russia for arming ukrain rebels as the US does the same thing for Syrian rebels. hypocricy much?
pretty much this.

this whole thing isnt about the children and civilians who died in a passenger jet - it's about money.

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It bears repeating that this issue was dormant for 4 months. Suddenly the US war machine's boner got stiff and we announced more sanctions out of blue. Accompanied of course by a plane crash that amazingly happened in tandem with the new sanctions.
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