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Old 07-25-2014, 01:00 PM  
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Pentagon: Russia getting ready to send more powerful weapons into Ukraine

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/25/world/...tml?hpt=hp_bn2

Washington (CNN) -- Russia is preparing the transfer of more powerful weaponry into Ukraine, and it could happen at any time, a Pentagon spokesman said Friday, citing the latest U.S. intelligence.

The transfer could be "imminent," the spokesman, Col. Steve Warren, told reporters. It's believed the weaponry will be driven into Ukraine "potentially today," he said, but it is not clear if Russian troops will be involved.

State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf also warned of the possibility Thursday, telling reporters, "We have new evidence that the Russians intend to deliver heavier and more powerful multiple rocket launchers to the separatist forces in Ukraine and have evidence that Russia is firing artillery from within Russia to attack Ukrainian military positions."

The United States has imagery showing weaponry, with burn marks in the grass, on the Russian side of the border, indicating that artillery was fired, a U.S. official tells CNN. The images remain classified and were not shared with CNN.

The Russian military has more powerful rocket launcher systems than the ones that have been sent across the border in the past. Intelligence indicates just under a dozen systems may be part of this latest shipment, according to a U.S. official.

Everything Russia is doing, Warren said, is "unquestionably an escalation."

Earlier Friday, the European Union stepped up pressure against Russians and others it blames for fomenting the crisis in Ukraine, banning visas and freezing the assets of 15 more people and 18 more companies and organizations.

The EU's move, which aims to punish those supporting a months-long pro-Russian rebellion in eastern Ukraine, comes as international pressure was stepped up on the rebels in a related issue: the discovery and return of more victims' remains from last week's crash of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 in rebel-held territory.

Details about who was sanctioned Friday weren't immediately available. But the EU and the United States previously have targeted Russians and Ukrainians they say have assisted the rebellion and Russia's annexation in March of the Ukrainian Black Sea peninsula of Crimea -- such as Vladimir Shamanov, commander of Russian airborne troops.

The move brings the total number of EU sanctions in the Ukraine crisis to 87, and the number of entities to 20. The EU on Friday also widened its criteria for future sanctions, saying it would now look to punish not only those who are aiding the rebellion, but also those benefiting "from Russian decision makers responsible" for it.
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Old 07-26-2014, 01:03 PM   #16
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It bears repeating that this issue was dormant for 4 months. Suddenly the US war machine's boner got stiff and we announced more sanctions out of blue. Accompanied of course by a plane crash that amazingly happened in tandem with the new sanctions.
And it bears repeating why?
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Old 07-26-2014, 01:24 PM   #17
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And it bears repeating why?
Just seems like odd timing, esp with what's going on in Gaza and esp in Iraq with ISIS.
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Old 07-26-2014, 10:54 PM   #18
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agreed. I'll also take what the Pentagon has to say with a grain of salt.

They are the same group who will chastize Russia for arming ukrain rebels as the US does the same thing for Syrian rebels. hypocricy much?
I was thinking pretty much the same thing. Russia is one of the big boys, they get to play by the same set of rules we do which is they get to make them up as they go along just like we do. I roll my eyes when we start crying about what Russia is doing. If you hate how Russia operates then you gotta hate how the US operates.
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Old 07-26-2014, 11:22 PM   #19
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You can dislike what Russia's doing without supporting our discombobulated policies in kind. It's ok to say Putin sucks and Obama should put our own interests in focus. We need their assistance going forward fighting the quagmires in major hotspots like Afghan, Syria, Iraq and potentially the mother of all horrors: Iran. WTF are we doing on Ukraine?
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Who knows, maybe some American goods will start being used by Russia in the Ukraine soon:

U.S. sales to Russia have only risen since sanctions imposed
BY JOHN MORITZ
McClatchy Washington BureauJuly 28, 2014



WASHINGTON — In the months since the United States imposed sanctions on Russian businesses and close associates of President Vladimir Putin’s, an odd thing has happened: U.S. exports to Russia have risen.

U.S. Census Bureau foreign trade data show that exports rose 17 percent from March through May _ the most recent months for which the data is available _ compared with the previous three months, before sanctions were imposed.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/07/2...#storylink=cpy
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Old 07-30-2014, 10:04 PM   #21
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Who knows, maybe some American goods will start being used by Russia in the Ukraine soon:

U.S. sales to Russia have only risen since sanctions imposed
BY JOHN MORITZ
McClatchy Washington BureauJuly 28, 2014



WASHINGTON — In the months since the United States imposed sanctions on Russian businesses and close associates of President Vladimir Putin’s, an odd thing has happened: U.S. exports to Russia have risen.

U.S. Census Bureau foreign trade data show that exports rose 17 percent from March through May _ the most recent months for which the data is available _ compared with the previous three months, before sanctions were imposed.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/07/2...#storylink=cpy
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Old 07-30-2014, 10:06 PM   #22
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So Russia is going to match what we're doing.BFD!
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Old 07-30-2014, 10:30 PM   #23
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pretty much this.

this whole thing isnt about the children and civilians who died in a passenger jet - it's about money.

Always was, always will be.
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EU and American investors tried get the Ukrainian parliament to turn over 49 percent of the country’s gas transport system to the European Union and the United States. That's what this may be all about, including their quest for global domination. No wonder Ms. Nuland's video had major oil company banners hanging behind her. Mercantilists love war and govt to make war so they can hog other countries resources. Just like Great Britain used to do.
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Old 07-30-2014, 10:35 PM   #24
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Do you have a point?
Weren't you one of the numb-nuts who advocated "sanctions" to punish Russia? Looks like 3 months later, we're doing more business than ever with those dudes.
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Old 07-30-2014, 11:27 PM   #26
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Weren't you one of the numb-nuts who advocated "sanctions" to punish Russia? Looks like 3 months later, we're doing more business than ever with those dudes.
You do realize the "ban" was only a freeze of assets and travel permits of certain individuals yes?
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Old 07-30-2014, 11:32 PM   #27
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All Russia is doing is pulling some trade forward in the event future sanctions happen. And if those do, they'll just source from another location since we produce very little unique products outside tech and Hollywood movies.
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Well, it's important info to know. Since we blamed Putin for allowing arms to travel to the insurgents ("If he wanted to control his border...." - Obama), we may have to start blaming Cameron & Hollande & Merkel if any of their weapons start finding their way to the insurgents too.

Considering weapons we gave to Qatar and Iraq ended up in the hands of ISIS, we don't have a lot of credibility to point too many fingers...
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I was thinking pretty much the same thing. Russia is one of the big boys, they get to play by the same set of rules we do which is they get to make them up as they go along just like we do. I roll my eyes when we start crying about what Russia is doing. If you hate how Russia operates then you gotta hate how the US operates.
I guess I missed the part where the US rolls in and proclaims that a portion of a country is now the US.
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I guess I missed the part where the US rolls in and proclaims that a portion of a country is now the US.
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