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Atheism vs Theists for those that can't read.

Here have a play pen to post comments about:

1) those that can read but choose to post in the other thread anyway

2) those that can't read and choose to post multi-posts that are distracting just cuz

3) those that can not read and accept not posting there...

ITS ALL SEMANTICS!!!

Ok have you fun here. The Eric and Dave thread will end up 70,000 posts long otherwise. Have a quick one line point in the other thread feel free to post it. Let's just not have 7 conversations going at once in the other thread. Put em here.
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Old 08-12-2014, 08:46 PM   #31
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Funny, I'm not christian....

Maybe youre just a ****ing idiot?
Sorry, I've dealt with too many ****tards like yourself so I assumed you were.

How about, typical irrational moron? That's better.

And good job ignoring my entire response to your ignorant banter.
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Old 08-12-2014, 09:01 PM   #32
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SUre it does...

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=do+all+christia...ible+literally

some results in about 1 minute:









I dont see a SINGLE site suggesting EVERYTHING must be taken LITERALLY by anyone.....I mean I am sure there will be some fundamentalist group that does somewhere (Phelps?) but come on, this is more dishonesty.

A quick 30 second google WILL indeed show the answer to the 'literal' question.
NO SHIT. Thankfully no Christians in America are stoning women for not being virgins on their wedding night, or murdering homosexuals or atheists, or killing people who work on ****ing Sundays.

NO ****ING SHIT.

And that's just another issue. How the **** do grown adults then still believe this piece of shit book is the actual word of god or inspired by him? How do grown adults get their moral advice from it and oppress others because of it? How do grown adults want creationism taught in public schools? Etc...

It's embarrassing that adults cant realize that it is an obvious collection of myths and fables written thousands of years ago by anonymous homophobic, sexist, racist desert dwellers.

Yet, ALL the other holy books are DEFINITELY not true AT ALL.

Hypocrites.
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Old 08-12-2014, 09:03 PM   #33
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And good job ignoring my entire response to your ignorant banter.
Well sorry, I thought you were retarded based on the 1st couple of lines...

I will address the 'cherry picking' though...

Many, many people (smart ones) cherry pick the good things out of a system and reject the bad stuff...


Take Martial Arts (Jeet Kune Do or MMA come to mind)

MMA is a great example of cherry picking.....they take awesome techniques from certain styles (boxing from mUy thai, kicks from various arts, wrestling from jiu jitsu and judo etc...) They synthesize all of these differing philosophies into an even better one (to you).

Why it is any wonder to you that you're not FORCED to take an all or nothing approach to any subject?

This is my main point, and the reason I think so many 'scientists' get off track....There absolutely does not have to be a mutual exclusion of science and theism (or spirituality of any kind).

You can cherry pick the best things from science and the best things from theism and create your own awesome system.

It is simple minded people like you who create division where there should be none and can't possibly imagine why you would want to 'cherry pick' the good stuff and ignore the bad stuff....

Its the same reason people still 'get something' out of the HAgakure or Tao Teh King or the Bagivad Gita......or reading some cool lines from Walt whitman etc...

I don't expect you to understand, but maybe someone else reading will.
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Old 08-12-2014, 09:09 PM   #34
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NO SHIT.
NO ****ING SHIT.
Youre the one who asked what was ignorant about it.

I answered it.

I'm sorry your little micropenis shriveled up at being humiliated for asking such a stupid ****ign question that you couldve answered by simply closing your eyes and thinking for 2 seconds or even taking 10 seconds to google...

If "NO SHIT" is the ****ing answer why the **** did you ask such a god damn stupid question you ****ing drooling ignoramus?
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Old 08-12-2014, 09:25 PM   #35
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Youre the one who asked what was ignorant about it.

I answered it.

I'm sorry your little micropenis shriveled up at being humiliated for asking such a stupid ****ign question that you couldve answered by simply closing your eyes and thinking for 2 seconds or even taking 10 seconds to google...

If "NO SHIT" is the ****ing answer why the **** did you ask such a god damn stupid question you ****ing drooling ignoramus?
I asked what was ignorant about the ****ing meme I posted you clueless moron. You responded with some shit about taking the bible literally, I responded to that and then responded with this:

And again, what is ignorant about the fact that the story of Adam and Eve is impossible and not true?

What is ignorant about the fact that that is where "original sin" began and if there was no original sin, there was no need for a "savior" Jesus to forgive us all for our sins. Without Jesus Christ, there's no Christianity.

What is ignorant about stating that the religion is based upon the story of Adam and Eve and that story is obviously not true?


My goodness you are one stupid mother****er.
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Old 08-12-2014, 09:30 PM   #36
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What is ignorant about stating that the religion is based upon the story of Adam and Eve and that story is obviously not true?
HAHAHHAHA

Seriously?

You still need me to explain this shit to your stupid ass?

OH

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I cant think of any more terms to use to explain to you that they know it isnt true, its a ****ing parable....I gave you links, theres gallup polls, i even quoted you shit to show you why this is an ignorant statement.


YET YOU STILL ASK WHY

You clearly do not have a job that requires any type of thought, correct? I'm guessing youre not even smart enough to swing a hammer....

Disability? Fast food? Retail?


NExt youre going to ask why people get a christmas tree when there is no Santa right?

HOW BIG WAS YOUR CHRISTMAS TREE LAST YEAR YOU ****STICK
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Old 08-12-2014, 09:48 PM   #37
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Well sorry, I thought you were retarded based on the 1st couple of lines...

I will address the 'cherry picking' though...

Many, many people (smart ones) cherry pick the good things out of a system and reject the bad stuff...


Take Martial Arts (Jeet Kune Do or MMA come to mind)

MMA is a great example of cherry picking.....they take awesome techniques from certain styles (boxing from mUy thai, kicks from various arts, wrestling from jiu jitsu and judo etc...) They synthesize all of these differing philosophies into an even better one (to you).

Why it is any wonder to you that you're not FORCED to take an all or nothing approach to any subject?

This is my main point, and the reason I think so many 'scientists' get off track....There absolutely does not have to be a mutual exclusion of science and theism (or spirituality of any kind).

You can cherry pick the best things from science and the best things from theism and create your own awesome system.

It is simple minded people like you who create division where there should be none and can't possibly imagine why you would want to 'cherry pick' the good stuff and ignore the bad stuff....

Its the same reason people still 'get something' out of the HAgakure or Tao Teh King or the Bagivad Gita......or reading some cool lines from Walt whitman etc...

I don't expect you to understand, but maybe someone else reading will.
LOL.

Like I already said, THANKFULLY no one in America is stoning people for ridiculous shit because they obviously know it is wrong.

Yet these same people take other parts of the bible literally that fit their agenda, like homosexuality and the reproductive rights of women, etc...

It's pathetic. How do you not see this?

And its logical to ignore the fact that the Judeo/Christian god is a psychopathic, egotistical, murdering, genocidal, homophobic, misogynist, racist bastard that condones rape and slavery?

Why the **** would anyone want to worship a deity like that?

But everyone just ignores all that and pretends this god is "all loving".

Meanwhile, more people have been murdered in the name of religion than anything else minus natural causes and disease.

But its okay! Lets ignore all that and continue to accept religion, even though it is obviously a bunch of bullshit! Who cares if innocent people die because of it!
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Old 08-12-2014, 09:55 PM   #38
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But its okay! Lets ignore all that and continue to accept religion, even though it is obviously a bunch of bullshit! Who cares if innocent people die because of it!
How many people have died because of science?

I would wager that science (bombs, explosives, bullets...) has killed far more people than religion, but does that mean we abandon science?

Of course not because we also look at the benefits of science...

You are looking at only the negatives of theism/religion....You fail to look at how many people religions have saved.....

Feeding the starving, putting glasses on the blind, building housing for the shelterless, tending the sick..literally BILLIONS of people have been touched in a positive way by some aspect of religion, yet you remain silent about the positive things of religion...

Yet you call me a hypocrite?

Interesting
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HAHAHHAHA

Seriously?

You still need me to explain this shit to your stupid ass?

OH

MY

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GOD


I cant think of any more terms to use to explain to you that they know it isnt true, its a ****ing parable....I gave you links, theres gallup polls, i even quoted you shit to show you why this is an ignorant statement.


YET YOU STILL ASK WHY

You clearly do not have a job that requires any type of thought, correct? I'm guessing youre not even smart enough to swing a hammer....

Disability? Fast food? Retail?


NExt youre going to ask why people get a christmas tree when there is no Santa right?

HOW BIG WAS YOUR CHRISTMAS TREE LAST YEAR YOU ****STICK
I ****ING UNDERSTAND THAT ALOT OF CHRISTIANS DO NOT BELIEVE THE STORY OF ADAM AND EVE IS TRUE YOU ****ING MORON. I ****ING SAID THAT ALREADY.

My whole ****ing point, the whole ****ing point of the meme like WhiteWhale stated, is that if original sin never happened, than the whole Jesus Christ savior bullshit never happened, meaning the whole religion is bullshit, which it obviously is.

The meme is obviously directed to those who do believe the stories of Adam and Eve and Jesus Christ are literally true.

My goodness.
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How many people have died because of science?

I would wager that science (bombs, explosives, bullets...) has killed far more people than religion, but does that mean we abandon science?


Of course not because we also look at the benefits of science...

You are looking at only the negatives of theism/religion....You fail to look at how many people religions have saved.....

Feeding the starving, putting glasses on the blind, building housing for the shelterless, tending the sick..literally BILLIONS of people have been touched in a positive way by some aspect of religion, yet you remain silent about the positive things of religion...

Yet you call me a hypocrite?

Interesting
. I cant even believe you're comparing the two like that. Wow.

As for the good stuff, sure, good job. But you dont need to believe in and worship a god and be apart of a religion to do all that good stuff. Non-religious organizations do the same thing.

And the negatives of religion FAR outweigh the positives. Its not even debatable. Just read the ****ing news every day to see that.
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Old 08-12-2014, 10:33 PM   #41
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LOL. Typical Christian. Saying we're attacking YOU by debunking and "insulting" your man made gods and religions while spouting insults and bullshit in the process.

I wasn't attacking anybody. And I never once said ALL Christians believe EVERY impossible story in your book of fiction is true.

And yes, I do know the numbers on "Bible Literalism". I've seen the latest gallup polls and shit. And while, thankfully, the % who think the bible is the literal word of god is declining, it's still embarrassing.

There's the evangelical, young earth creationism wack jobs that believe every word and story in the bible is the word of god and true and then there's the rest who cherry pick the **** out of it.

Yes, I realize alot of Christians cherry pick the "loving" verses and stories and think all the good shit is true, yet somehow ignore all of the awful immoral parts, the impossible stories and obvious contradictions, yet still believe it's inspired by the Christian god.

They ignore the genocide, misogyny, racism, incest, condoning of rape and slavery, etc...Yet go right to their bible when it comes to homosexuality and other moral issues that fit their agenda. It's pathetic.

And again, what is ignorant about the fact that the story of Adam and Eve is impossible and not true?

What is ignorant about the fact that that is where "original sin" began and if there was no original sin, there was no need for a "savior" Jesus to forgive us all for our sins. Without Jesus Christ, there's no Christianity.

What is ignorant about stating that the religion is based upon the story of Adam and Eve and that story is obviously not true?
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How many people have died because of science?

I would wager that science (bombs, explosives, bullets...) has killed far more people than religion, but does that mean we abandon science?

Of course not because we also look at the benefits of science...

You are looking at only the negatives of theism/religion....You fail to look at how many people religions have saved.....
Feeding the starving, putting glasses on the blind, building housing for the shelterless, tending the sick..literally BILLIONS of people have been touched in a positive way by some aspect of religion, yet you remain silent about the positive things of religion...


Yet you call me a hypocrite?

Interesting
Yes the "science" of making arrows probably killed more people than any weapon. And as for this statement I do agree.

Science feeds the starving, puts glasses on the blind, builds housing for the shelterless, heals the sick..literally BILLIONS of people have been touched in a positive way by some aspect of science yet you remain silent about the positive things of science...
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. I cant even believe you're comparing the two like that. Wow.

As for the good stuff, sure, good job. But you dont need to believe in and worship a god and be apart of a religion to do all that good stuff. Non-religious organizations do the same thing.

And the negatives of religion FAR outweigh the positives. Its not even debatable. Just read the ****ing news every day to see that.
I'm detecting a pattern here:

Your inability to recognize the difference between figurative and literal stories.

Your inability to view the negatives of science (completely biased / one sided)

Inability to see the positives of religion (again, shows bias)

Inability to ascertain that it is not ALL religions which are "in the news" causing violence and war...

Unwillingness to admit that the crusades , inquisition, and generally horrible aspects of Christianity are relegated to the past......and that by and large Christians are peaceful, world wide..and if anything are VICTIMS of government/fascist regimes/other dominant religions.

There are religions out there "in the news" causing violence and destruction world wide.....and people like you who throw out EVERY religion without at least giving a half hearted attempt to be honest about which religions are a problem NOW and which were a problem in the history books until they reformed are part and parcel of the death and violence in the world.

Equating modern western Christianity with say something like Sunni / Wahabi / Jihadi Islam in terms of causing violence in 2014 is the same thing as pulling the race card at ever opportunity or crying sexism / homophobia at every whim...It does more to make you look like an ignorant dishonest doofus than advance the cause of getting rid of the truly violent aspects that still remain of some religions today...
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Science feeds the starving, puts glasses on the blind, builds housing for the shelterless, heals the sick..literally BILLIONS of people have been touched in a positive way by some aspect of science yet you remain silent about the positive things of science...
Once again you fail to read...I have not remained silent about science.. read my NEXT sentence...

I went on to say that the benefits of science outweigh the negatives....

Just I acknowledge negative aspects of religion...

I happen to see both sides of the issue...

You are a dishonest piece of shit.

My main point is that it doesnt have to be one OR the other....science and spirituality/theism can exist and flourish as a unified view of the universe
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Yes the "science" of making arrows probably killed more people than any weapon. And as for this statement I do agree.

Science feeds the starving, puts glasses on the blind, builds housing for the shelterless, heals the sick..literally BILLIONS of people have been touched in a positive way by some aspect of science yet you remain silent about the positive things of science...
His comparison between the two is so laughable.

People have killed people in the name of their gods and religion.

People have not killed people in the name of bombs, bullets and other weapons.

They have used the bombs and bullets and explosives to kill people for other reasons, and alot of those reasons have been religious ones. Shocking.

Its just as laughable as the people that say Stalin and Hitler were atheists (Even though Hitler was a Roman Catholic), and act like that's the reason they committed their horrible acts.

People don't kill people in the name of atheism, the lack of belief in the existence of a god or gods. That doesn't even make any sense.
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