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Atheism vs Theists for those that can't read.

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1) those that can read but choose to post in the other thread anyway

2) those that can't read and choose to post multi-posts that are distracting just cuz

3) those that can not read and accept not posting there...

ITS ALL SEMANTICS!!!

Ok have you fun here. The Eric and Dave thread will end up 70,000 posts long otherwise. Have a quick one line point in the other thread feel free to post it. Let's just not have 7 conversations going at once in the other thread. Put em here.
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Old 08-12-2014, 09:55 PM   #46
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Once again you fail to read...I have not remained silent about science.. read my NEXT sentence...

I went on to say that the benefits of science outweigh the negatives....

Just I acknowledge negative aspects of religion...

I happen to see both sides of the issue...

You are a dishonest piece of shit.

My main point is that it doesnt have to be one OR the other....science and spirituality/theism can exist and flourish as a unified view of the universe
I completely agree. Theists that are your average got to church on Xmas and Easter only and don't vote for what their pastors want are no issue at all. It's the other knuckleheads. Just like 90% of Muslims are decent people it's the fringe nuts that are anti-science and pro legislated morality butt nuggets that are what I'm against.
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Old 08-12-2014, 10:04 PM   #47
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His comparison between the two is so laughable.

People have killed people in the name of their gods and religion.

People have not killed people in the name of bombs, bullets and other weapons.
Hundreds of millions of People have been killed by scientific advances..stirrups, arrows, guns.nuclear power etc.....

The very earth is in jeopardy because of....science

People have been victims of scientific experiments

People have been killed (by the millions) by the principle of eugenics, & other scientific concepts...

Biological warfare...

Chemical warfare

Pollution

Mass extinctions of species

Global warming
Fallout

Oil spills

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The very existence of man is threatened by...SCIENCE (over population, nuclear war, climate change)

Science has killed people....to say that it has been used 100% positively is equally as stupid as saying religion has been used 100% negatively.
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Old 08-12-2014, 10:20 PM   #48
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I'm detecting a pattern here:

Your inability to recognize the difference between figurative and literal stories.

Your inability to view the negatives of science (completely biased / one sided)

Inability to see the positives of religion (again, shows bias)

Inability to ascertain that it is not ALL religions which are "in the news" causing violence and war...

Unwillingness to admit that the crusades , inquisition, and generally horrible aspects of Christianity are relegated to the past......and that by and large Christians are peaceful, world wide..and if anything are VICTIMS of government/fascist regimes/other dominant religions.

There are religions out there "in the news" causing violence and destruction world wide.....and people like you who throw out EVERY religion without at least giving a half hearted attempt to be honest about which religions are a problem NOW and which were a problem in the history books until they reformed are part and parcel of the death and violence in the world.

Equating modern western Christianity with say something like Sunni / Wahabi / Jihadi Islam in terms of causing violence in 2014 is the same thing as pulling the race card at ever opportunity or crying sexism / homophobia at every whim...It does more to make you look like an ignorant dishonest doofus than advance the cause of getting rid of the truly violent aspects that still remain of some religions today...
Which stories are supposed to be literal and which ones are supposed to be figurative? And how the **** would you possibly know that information? How the **** are you supposed to take the the story of Adam and Eve figuratively? Either it ****ing happened or it didn't. Either Noah's Ark (which was copied from a previous religion) happened or it didnt. Etc...Could go on and on and on...

There are negatives about the observation and explanation of the natural world? Do people misuse the technological advancements that we've made? Sure. But they don't kill people in the name of those technological advancements. People dont kill people in the name of guns or knives.

I admitted there has been some good that religion has done...but the negatives far outweigh the positives. That is obvious. And the good that religion has done, can be and obviously has been done without the need to believe in a god or be a part of a religion.

All religions suck. All of them are oppressive. Atheists in America focus on Christianity more because obviously Christianity is the dominant religion in America.

And yeah, lets just ignore the millions and millions of innocent people murdered in the past because of Christianity, that shit doesn't matter.

Lets now focus on homophobia, controlling the reproductive rights of women and indoctrinating children! Those are all very good things! And hey, let's continue to deny facts like Evolution and the age of the Earth and Universe and teach myths instead of actual science in science classes! Let's lie more to kids, that sounds like fun!

Lets continue to discriminate against people that use their brains and don't believe the same irrational things we believe!

Christianity is so peaceful!
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Old 08-12-2014, 10:53 PM   #49
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Hundreds of millions of People have been killed by scientific advances..stirrups, arrows, guns.nuclear power etc.....

The very earth is in jeopardy because of....science

People have been victims of scientific experiments

People have been killed (by the millions) by the principle of eugenics, & other scientific concepts...

Biological warfare...

Chemical warfare

Pollution

Mass extinctions of species

Global warming
Fallout

Oil spills

ozone hole

The very existence of man is threatened by...SCIENCE (over population, nuclear war, climate change)

Science has killed people....to say that it has been used 100% positively is equally as stupid as saying religion has been used 100% negatively.
Nuclear war, climate change, oil spills, pollution, biological and chemical warfare...all things being CAUSED by humans misusing science for other reasons and purposes. People aren't nuking people in the name of science. People aren't causing climate change in the name of science. Correlation does not equal causation. The very existence of man is threatened by MAN misusing shit.

People kill other people in the name of religion. It has happened for thousands of years and it is happening right now. People are killing other people over imaginary friends. It's pathetic.
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Old 08-12-2014, 11:00 PM   #50
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Which stories are supposed to be literal and which ones are supposed to be figurative? And how the **** would you possibly know that information? How the **** are you supposed to take the the story of Adam and Eve figuratively? Either it ****ing happened or it didn't. Either Noah's Ark (which was copied from a previous religion) happened or it didnt. Etc...Could go on and on and on...

Either the boy who cried wolf happened or it didnt...**** it I am going to tell lies all the time

Either santa claus is real or not....**** santa I am gonna be bad and still demand a present

George washington is a ****ing FRAUD because he never cut down a cherry tree AND I REFUSE to learn any lesson from that story....

Ugly duckling

Illiad & odyssey


****ing shawshank redemption

If its not 100% literally true i refuse to ****ing take away any lessons from it man

You are ****ing right, I realized...

anything thats not 100% true is ****ING BULLSHIT man and can't be learned from or studied and we cant get shit out of it

**** YAH

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being CAUSED by humans misusing science......The very existence of man is threatened by MAN misusing [science]

People kill other people in the name of religion
I would propose to you , that killing in the name of christianity and most religions is also a MISUSE of that religion.

Maybe there are religions where murder is a part of it, but I think by and large misuse is the appropriate term.
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Old 08-13-2014, 09:51 AM   #52
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LOL. Typical Christian. Saying we're attacking YOU by debunking and "insulting" your man made gods and religions while spouting insults and bullshit in the process.

I wasn't attacking anybody. And I never once said ALL Christians believe EVERY impossible story in your book of fiction is true.

And yes, I do know the numbers on "Bible Literalism". I've seen the latest gallup polls and shit. And while, thankfully, the % who think the bible is the literal word of god is declining, it's still embarrassing.

There's the evangelical, young earth creationism wack jobs that believe every word and story in the bible is the word of god and true and then there's the rest who cherry pick the **** out of it.

Yes, I realize alot of Christians cherry pick the "loving" verses and stories and think all the good shit is true, yet somehow ignore all of the awful immoral parts, the impossible stories and obvious contradictions, yet still believe it's inspired by the Christian god.

They ignore the genocide, misogyny, racism, incest, condoning of rape and slavery, etc...Yet go right to their bible when it comes to homosexuality and other moral issues that fit their agenda. It's pathetic.

And again, what is ignorant about the fact that the story of Adam and Eve is impossible and not true?

What is ignorant about the fact that that is where "original sin" began and if there was no original sin, there was no need for a "savior" Jesus to forgive us all for our sins. Without Jesus Christ, there's no Christianity.

What is ignorant about stating that the religion is based upon the story of Adam and Eve and that story is obviously not true?
The term original sin doesn't have to mean it spawned all other sin. It was just the first. Everyone sins, and it doesn't have anything to do with the Adam and Eve story. Their sin was simply the first one, but is in no way related to any of my sins. Therefore, yes, I ask Jesus to forgive my sins. The same holds true with all of the genocide, racism, incest, etc. that you mention. Those are all sinful things.
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1) Of course yes, the fact you are still asking this question despite the fact you could do a 30 second google to get the answer shows you are a dishonest or clueless moron

2) That is up to the individual, where I draw the line might be different than where you draw the line.....


3) Christianity is a type of theism, yah? The most common type in the USa?

Of course, you could probably just use common sense to answer your "questions" yourself but I guess it seems lacking...
Can you do anything without name calling like a child? Are you five and feel so threatened by anything around you that you puff your chest out and beat on it? It makes you look weak.

1. A person who does not believe in the divinity of Christ is not a christian. I don't particularly care what they call themselves. Since this is subjective, I was asking for your opinion. I don't give a **** what google says.

2. Yes, again. The point was that arbitrary lines drawn by individuals create a huge inconsistency in how it is taught and practiced and often creates contradictions within itself.

3. Yes, moron. My point was that disproving the literal interpretation of christianity doesn't disprove theism. You ****ing idiot. I was defending your comment and agreeing with you. You would know that if you weren't so intent on thrashing about like a child who isn't getting his cookie. Grow the **** up. Being belligerent doesn't hide your ignorance, it magnifies it.

I wasn't hostile at all, but Pawnmower you are not smart enough or thick skinned enough to spar with me. If you want to be hostile, we can do that. Or we can have a dialogue like actual adults. It's up to you.
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Here are my responses to your 'little snippets of wisdom.' Thank you for enligtening us all with your thoughts.

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1. A person who does not believe in the divinity of Christ is not a christian. I don't particularly care what they call themselves..... I don't give a **** what google says.
Well SHIT....Why didn't you explain that the 1st time around...That sure does make things A LOT more simple...A person is not a christian until they meetWHiteWhale of Chiefsplanet's definition of belief in the divinity of Christ...That gets rid of a lot of problems with individuals messing things up with their own wacky interpretations of things...Very clever man. ANd yes, **** google...in fact **** any reference material...why bother using definitions at all...words just get in the way.

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2. Yes, again. The point was that arbitrary lines drawn by individuals create a huge inconsistency in how it is taught and practiced and often creates contradictions within itself.
I see... Well, in My country (The USA) everything is all screwed up because stupidly, some assholes decided that we should be free as individuals to decide how and who and when to worship...and even free to interpret or read whatever literature we want. I know ...its ****ing lame right? The place where your from (Queerbaitistan?) must be so much better where people are forced to all believe the exact same way...and the fact that YOU have the power to determine whether or not they are Christians is simply....amazing.

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3. Yes, moron. My point was that disproving the literal interpretation of christianity doesn't disprove theism.
OHHHHH. I get it now, we are trying to disprove theism....I had a feeling those people who were reading holy books and praying didn't REALLY believe in a God. You know, I'm starting to question theism myself....and I think I am beginning to believe that it doesn't exist. The only problem is that how do we prove it DOESN'T exist??? Wow...You sure are bringing up some deep topics....Queerbaitistan must have excellent universities.


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....Pawnmower you are not smart enough or thick skinned enough to spar with me. If you want to be hostile, we can do that.
Oh shit, Ok...Um...(gulp) well I'm not totally sure what style of martial arts they practice in your parts, but maybe you could start slowly on me. I will imagine you are a fat , albino version of Royce gracie (Remco Pardu?) and I am just a kid covered in cocoa butter....

Please take it easy on me, OK? You're obviously a very experienced warrior.

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1. A person who does not believe in the divinity of Christ is not a christian. I don't particularly care what they call themselves. Since this is subjective, I was asking for your opinion. I don't give a **** what google says.
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Well SHIT....Why didn't you explain that the 1st time around...That sure does make things A LOT more simple...A person is not a christian until they meetWHiteWhale of Chiefsplanet's definition of belief in the divinity of Christ...That gets rid of a lot of problems with individuals messing things up with their own wacky interpretations of things...Very clever man. ANd yes, **** gooffle...in fact **** any reference material...why bother using definitions at all...words just get in the way.

Yeah, I gotta agree with Whale on this one. In fact, I would tend to think that the ONE thing that specifically defines what a "Christian" is is the belief that Jesus Christ was divine. If you don't believe that, then I don't really think you can call yourself "Christian". It really doesn't make sense definitionally.
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Yeah, I gotta agree with Whale on this one. In fact, I would tend to think that the ONE thing that specifically defines what a "Christian" is is the belief that Jesus Christ was divine. If you don't believe that, then I don't really think you can call yourself "Christian". It really doesn't make sense definitionally.
Then I would disagree with you. (I think that viewpoint is much more of a fundamental/orthodox viewpoint)

and perhaps you can define 'divine'

There are disagreements within well known sects of Christianity over this very thing....

Was Jesus a god? Was he a man? Is he the trinity (father son AND holy spirit?) or is God a Unitarian concept (non divine)etc etc etc

If by divine, you mean being a God...then there is absolutely not agreement on that.

Again, a simple search of this question will lead you to see that some feel he is divine, some feel he was a man....some take his words literally, some figuratively..

Some even (crazily enough!) think Jesus was no more (or less) the son of God than you or me...

SO the ONE thing that makes you a christian I would say is NOT 'believing Christ is divine' but rather following the teachings of Jesus.....as they interpret them.

I think most people would say if you accept that christ died for your sins, thats what would make someone a christian...not some definition of being divine or not....but thats my 2 cents
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The term original sin doesn't have to mean it spawned all other sin. It was just the first. Everyone sins, and it doesn't have anything to do with the Adam and Eve story. Their sin was simply the first one, but is in no way related to any of my sins. Therefore, yes, I ask Jesus to forgive my sins. The same holds true with all of the genocide, racism, incest, etc. that you mention. Those are all sinful things.
So why does everyone have original sin if not from Adam and Eve?
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An atheist defining what Christianity is sounds like an Islamic terrorist defining what American patriotism is.
Actually it seems christians are unable to come up with a definition so why not someone impartial?
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So why does everyone have original sin if not from Adam and Eve?
If you define 'original sin' as people (mankind) are inherently bad (are born with 'sin' in their hearts), even scientists, philosophers and literary masters have this debate all of the time...(IOW use the story of eating the apple as a parable like many do)

Now this is just my opinion, I'm not Christian but personally I can see how the 'original sin' parable is just a way of examining the inherent greed, violence, selfishness and will to survive / thrive even at the expense of others and at the expense of nature/mother earth.

Jesus was an example of someone who did the exact opposite of these basic instincts (original sins / functional evolutionary traits) ... and therefore Christians study and learn from him in order to model their lives after him and try to overcome these 'sins'

I mean it really isn't that hard to figure out..I don't understand why all of these 'smart' people have such a tough time with very basic ideas....personally I think there is a lot of dishonesty involved...intentionally being obtuse, for the sake of debate...Either that or maybe some people just aren't as smart as they think they are.
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