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NYT: ‘Uncle Trump’ / 'Donald the Strong' Finds Fans in China

‘Uncle Trump’ Finds Fans in China

By JAVIER C. HERNÁNDEZ and IRIS ZHAO

NOV. 9, 2017

BEIJING — They call him “Donald the Strong.” They heap praise on his family. They fawn over his rapid-fire tweets. They have even created an online fan club.

In America, President Trump faces a feisty press corps, damaging investigations into associates and sagging approval ratings.

But in China, where Mr. Trump arrived Wednesday, he has acquired a legion of admirers who hail him as a straight-talking politician and business mogul with a knack for deal-making.

“He’s true to himself,” said Dai Xiang, a resident of the eastern province of Jiangsu who belongs to an online group of more than 23,000 people that exchanges news and commentary about Mr. Trump. “He’s real, unlike other politicians.”

As in the United States, Mr. Trump can be a polarizing figure in China. He has his share of critics, who mock him as egoistical and erratic, and for fanning the war flames with North Korea. But he also has many ardent supporters, which is perhaps a surprising development for the leader of China’s biggest geopolitical rival.

They refer to him as “Uncle Trump,” “Grand Commander” and “Donald the Strong.” After Mr. Trump’s visit to the Forbidden City on Wednesday with President Xi Jinping, one fan wrote on social media, “Long live Emperor Trump!”

Mr. Trump’s Chinese fans praise his irrepressible style, his skill as an entertainer and his willingness to say what he thinks. Many also like the fact that he seems less inhibited than previous American presidents about recognizing China as a superpower and as an equal on the global stage.

And after years of American presidents lecturing China on issues like political prisoners and democracy, many also say they are relieved to see a leader who seems to care more about making deals than idealism.

They say Mr. Trump has changed the tone of America’s conversation with China.

“People are sort of tired of listening to that criticism,” said Xu Qinduo, a political commentator for China Radio International in Beijing. “Now we can talk to each other.”


It helps that the government-run news media has encouraged a positive portrayal of Mr. Trump, focusing on his warm relationship with Mr. Xi and his praise for China. Even those who do know about Mr. Trump’s troubles at home, including the investigation into his campaign’s ties to Russia, say these don’t detract from his admirable qualities.

“I’m not interested in the Russian investigation or his North Korea strategy,” said Zhang Changjiang, 43, an instructor at Beijing University of Posts and Telecommunications. “His purpose is clear. He knows how to whet people’s appetite, how to make a scene and how to leverage his abilities.”

For many Chinese, Mr. Trump is a familiar type: the celebrity businessman. Successful, outspoken tycoons can win godlike status in China’s get-rich society, and Mr. Trump is no exception. His books, including “Trump Never Give Up,” received glowing reviews on Chinese websites. He is presented as a role model, a billionaire with his own empire of golf courses and gilded hotels.

Some believe his boardroom acumen will help him strike trade deals that will also benefit China’s economy.

“As a successful businessman, Trump definitely won’t ignore the huge size of China’s consumer base,” said Li Yang, 25, a designer.

Of course, not everyone is a fan. When asked, some Chinese said they worried that Mr. Trump is inflaming tensions with North Korea, a longtime ally. Others are concerned by his past attacks on China on trade and intellectual property rights. Some described him as mercurial, saying that while he seems to be friendly now, that could suddenly change.

“Trump is a person of ambiguity,” said Sun Caihong, 38, a resident of Beijing. “His policy is not clear. He’s just trying to muddle along.”

Others were more calculating.

“If he’s doing good for China, I like him,” said Liu Chunyu, 56, a deliveryman. “If not, I don’t like him.”

Even some of those who disagree with Mr. Trump’s policies see him as a refreshing iconoclast, willing to discard the tone of moral superiority that some previous American leaders had held toward China, especially on human rights.

Many Chinese “have a strong revulsion and hostility toward ‘political correctness’ in Western society,” Chen Jibing, a political commentator in Shanghai, wrote in a blog post this week. “They see themselves in Trump.”

The Communist Party’s tight grip on information in China might be playing into Mr. Trump’s popularity, experts say. Stanley Rosen, a political science professor at the University of Southern California, said that the Chinese respect unpredictable, confident personalities, which in their own history would include figures like modern China’s founding father, Mao Zedong.

Mr. Trump is showing that he is spontaneous and “beholden to no one,” Mr. Rosen said.

Mr. Trump’s celebrity status also adds to his mystique. Before his election, he was already known in China as the star of “The Apprentice,” which could be viewed online.

Even his physical appearance has drawn attention — although not always in a flattering way. In lighthearted social media posts, his head of flaxen hair is juxtaposed with photos of roosters and pheasants.




Mr. Trump’s most effective tool in winning over Chinese audiences may be his family. His daughter Ivanka, who started her own fashion brand, is regarded as a role model for young Chinese entrepreneurs. His 6-year-old granddaughter, Arabella, became a nationally known figure this year after a video appeared of her singing in Chinese.



On Wednesday, Mr. Trump showed Mr. Xi another video of his granddaughter singing in Chinese, which was shared widely after it was posted online, attracting tens of millions of views in less than 24 hours.

Other Chinese take a more hard-nosed approach, embracing Mr. Trump because of the advantages that they see him offering to China. They regard an American retreat from global affairs as an opening for Beijing to extend its influence. They also say Mr. Trump has helped enhance China’s stature by treating Mr. Xi as an equal partner.

The Global Times, an ardently nationalist state-run tabloid, praised Mr. Trump for showing respect to Mr. Xi, such as when he called last month to congratulate Mr. Xi on winning a second five-year term as Communist Party leader.

“Trump is the first American president to do so,” said the editorial, which appeared on Thursday. This “reflects his respect for China’s system.”


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Donald Trump signs 37 DEALS worth BILLIONS with China on Asia tour – This is what they are

DONALD Trump has signed a staggering 37 major deals between US and Chinese companies during his Asia tour, it has been revealed.
PUBLISHED: 14:21, Fri, Nov 10, 2017
UPDATED: 14:40, Fri, Nov 10, 2017

The US Commerce Department disclosed the President signed the deals in excess of $250billion (£190billion), including with huge multinational companies such as Goldman Sachs and Boeing.

Mr Trump's agreements with Chinese leader Xi Jinping have been praised by US Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, who claimed the deals show the President is able to build bilateral relationships between nations.

Mr Ross said: "American businesses are the most innovative in the world and, when given access, can compete with anyone.

"I believe these deals can provide a solid foundation for a stronger relationship that is more free, fair, and reciprocal between the US and China."

Mr Ross added: "It was a great honour for these to be witnessed by President Trump and President Xi today.

"A special thank you to our CEO delegation for their hard work in support of this historic event."

The US President has set trade as one of his core priorities in his first year in office and he held talks with Mr Jinping about the multi-billion dollar US trade deficit with China.

China's trade surplus – an economic measure of a positive balance of trade, where a country's exports exceed its imports – expanded by 12.2 per cent in October from the previous year, reaching $26.6billion (£20.2billion), according to Chinese customs data.

The total surplus rose to a staggering $223billion (£170billion) in the first 10 months of this year.

Beijing is America's third biggest export market, behind Canada and Mexico.

Here is the full list of the US CEO Delegation to China deals:

1) Air Products (APD) Air Products and Yankuang Group Co., Ltd. – $3.5 billion

2) The State of Alaska, Alaska Gasline Development Corporation (AGDC), China Petrochemical Corp (Sinopec), China Investment Corporation (CIC), and Bank of China (BOC) – $43 billion.

3) Archer Daniels Midland Company (ADM) and COFCO

4) Bell and Reignwood signed an agreement for 60 Bell 505s, valued at $50 million.

5) Boeing and China Aviation Supplies Holding Company -- $38 billion.

6) Caterpillar Inc, and China Energy Investment Corp

7) Cheniere Energy and China National Petroleum

8) Dais Analytic Gouanrui (Beijing) Technology Co., Ltd

9) Delfin Midstream and China Gas Holdings – $8 billion

10) Digit group and Gateguard – $100 million

11) Digit group and Foton – $310 million

12) Digit Group and HeDa Group – $1.5 billion

13) The Dow Chemical Company

14) Dow and Mobike

15) Drylet, LLC and Nanjing Hoyo Municipal Utilities Investment and Administration Group – $100 million

16) GE and Juneyao Airlines – $1.4 billion

17) GE and ICBC – $1.1 billion

18) GE and China Datang Group – $1 billion

19) Goldman Sachs China Investment Corporation ("CIC") – $5 billion

20) Honeywell and Oriental Energy

21) Honeywell and Spring Airlines

22) I. M. Systems Group, Inc. (IMSG) and Civil Aviation Telecom Co., Ltd.

23) Qualcomm and Xiaomi, Oppo and Vivo – $12 billion

24) SAS and Shenzhen Zhenghong Technology Co. Ltd. – $30 million

25) Stine Seed China and Beijing W. Seed – $10 million

26) TEREX and Xuzhou Handler – $250 million

27) Thermo Fisher Scientific, Beijing Municipal Commission of Science and Technology, Tsinghua University, Beijing Novogene Bioinformatics Technology Co., Ltd, and Innovent Biologics (Suzhou) Co., Ltd – $35 million

28) U.S. Soybean Export Council (USSEC) and the China Chamber of Commerce for Import and Export of Foodstuffs, Native Produce and Animal By-products (CFNA) – $3.4 billion

29) Viroment and Hangzhou Iron and Steel – $800 million

30) Viroment and Guangye Guangdong Environmental Protection Group, Co, LTD. – $100 million

31) Westinghouse Electric Company, Nuclear Power Technology Company (SNPTC) and subsidiaries, State Nuclear Power Engineering Corporation (SNPEC) and State Nuclear Power Automation & Engineering Company (SNPAS)

Here is the full list of the non delegation deals:

1) American Ethane and Nanshan Group – $25 billion

2) Ford Trading Company LLC. And Ford Motor (China) Ltd. – $10 billion

3) GM and SAIC-GM – $2.2 billion.

4) The Montana Stockgrowers signed and Jingdong Century Trade Company (JD.com) – $200 million. Smithfield Food Inc.

5) Smithfield Food Inc and Jingdong Century Trade Company (JD.com) – $1 billion.

6) The state of West and Shenhua corporation – $83 billion

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-companies/amp
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Donald Trump signs 37 DEALS worth BILLIONS with China on Asia tour – This is what they are

DONALD Trump has signed a staggering 37 major deals between US and Chinese companies during his Asia tour, it has been revealed.
PUBLISHED: 14:21, Fri, Nov 10, 2017
UPDATED: 14:40, Fri, Nov 10, 2017

The US Commerce Department disclosed the President signed the deals in excess of $250billion (£190billion), including with huge multinational companies such as Goldman Sachs and Boeing.

Mr Trump's agreements with Chinese leader Xi Jinping have been praised by US Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, who claimed the deals show the President is able to build bilateral relationships between nations.

Mr Ross said: "American businesses are the most innovative in the world and, when given access, can compete with anyone.

"I believe these deals can provide a solid foundation for a stronger relationship that is more free, fair, and reciprocal between the US and China."

Mr Ross added: "It was a great honour for these to be witnessed by President Trump and President Xi today.

"A special thank you to our CEO delegation for their hard work in support of this historic event."

The US President has set trade as one of his core priorities in his first year in office and he held talks with Mr Jinping about the multi-billion dollar US trade deficit with China.

China's trade surplus – an economic measure of a positive balance of trade, where a country's exports exceed its imports – expanded by 12.2 per cent in October from the previous year, reaching $26.6billion (£20.2billion), according to Chinese customs data.

The total surplus rose to a staggering $223billion (£170billion) in the first 10 months of this year.

Beijing is America's third biggest export market, behind Canada and Mexico.

Here is the full list of the US CEO Delegation to China deals:

1) Air Products (APD) Air Products and Yankuang Group Co., Ltd. – $3.5 billion

2) The State of Alaska, Alaska Gasline Development Corporation (AGDC), China Petrochemical Corp (Sinopec), China Investment Corporation (CIC), and Bank of China (BOC) – $43 billion.

3) Archer Daniels Midland Company (ADM) and COFCO

4) Bell and Reignwood signed an agreement for 60 Bell 505s, valued at $50 million.

5) Boeing and China Aviation Supplies Holding Company -- $38 billion.

6) Caterpillar Inc, and China Energy Investment Corp

7) Cheniere Energy and China National Petroleum

8) Dais Analytic Gouanrui (Beijing) Technology Co., Ltd

9) Delfin Midstream and China Gas Holdings – $8 billion

10) Digit group and Gateguard – $100 million

11) Digit group and Foton – $310 million

12) Digit Group and HeDa Group – $1.5 billion

13) The Dow Chemical Company

14) Dow and Mobike

15) Drylet, LLC and Nanjing Hoyo Municipal Utilities Investment and Administration Group – $100 million

16) GE and Juneyao Airlines – $1.4 billion

17) GE and ICBC – $1.1 billion

18) GE and China Datang Group – $1 billion

19) Goldman Sachs China Investment Corporation ("CIC") – $5 billion

20) Honeywell and Oriental Energy

21) Honeywell and Spring Airlines

22) I. M. Systems Group, Inc. (IMSG) and Civil Aviation Telecom Co., Ltd.

23) Qualcomm and Xiaomi, Oppo and Vivo – $12 billion

24) SAS and Shenzhen Zhenghong Technology Co. Ltd. – $30 million

25) Stine Seed China and Beijing W. Seed – $10 million

26) TEREX and Xuzhou Handler – $250 million

27) Thermo Fisher Scientific, Beijing Municipal Commission of Science and Technology, Tsinghua University, Beijing Novogene Bioinformatics Technology Co., Ltd, and Innovent Biologics (Suzhou) Co., Ltd – $35 million

28) U.S. Soybean Export Council (USSEC) and the China Chamber of Commerce for Import and Export of Foodstuffs, Native Produce and Animal By-products (CFNA) – $3.4 billion

29) Viroment and Hangzhou Iron and Steel – $800 million

30) Viroment and Guangye Guangdong Environmental Protection Group, Co, LTD. – $100 million

31) Westinghouse Electric Company, Nuclear Power Technology Company (SNPTC) and subsidiaries, State Nuclear Power Engineering Corporation (SNPEC) and State Nuclear Power Automation & Engineering Company (SNPAS)

Here is the full list of the non delegation deals:

1) American Ethane and Nanshan Group – $25 billion

2) Ford Trading Company LLC. And Ford Motor (China) Ltd. – $10 billion

3) GM and SAIC-GM – $2.2 billion.

4) The Montana Stockgrowers signed and Jingdong Century Trade Company (JD.com) – $200 million. Smithfield Food Inc.

5) Smithfield Food Inc and Jingdong Century Trade Company (JD.com) – $1 billion.

6) The state of West and Shenhua corporation – $83 billion

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-companies/amp
What do these deals have to do with Trump? What was his role in them?
What are we supposed to compare this to?
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His head has been in the sand since before that. So.
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