Offensive struggles the last 2 years are personnel driven, not coaching

[RunKC]

Idk how anyone cannot see this.

Andy Reid stood at the combine in 2023 and said Skyy Moore and Kadarius Toney were their top WR’s. We saw how that went.

In fact, can anyone tell me without looking what WR has had the most snaps of any Chiefs WR the last 2 seasons? Anyone? Ready for it? It’s Justin Watson. Nobody has played more snaps at that position than him the last 2 years.

Don’t even get me started on the OL. A late 3rd and late 2nd on tackles are considered projects. They are not real shots at a LT historically speaking. Shocking that they turned out to look like projects.
We have had 5 starting LT’s the last 2 years. FIVE.

The RB room had the least explosive plays of any RB room in the entire league. Only 17 10+ explosive plays all year. We even had some loser with an Alligator that plays FB take starting snaps

I get that it sucked losing Pacheco, Hollywood and Rashee. I understand and am not faulting Veach. The fact is that Kareem Hunt, Juju, DeAndre Hopkins and Travis Kelce are old. They aren’t explosive anymore. That was painfully clear tonight. It’s why Veach doesn’t like signing 30+ year old players unless he absolutely has to.

Again this isn’t a Veach bitch fest it’s just the facts. I think Veach is gonna take a hammer to this offense and hard after OL and explosive playmakers.

Thankfully he’s got an extra pick early thanks to Sneed

[Why Not?]

Kareem did great for us, under the circumstances. If they want him back to be what he was in Cleveland, that’s fine. Pacheco either is still not fully recovered or he is in pumpkin mode. Either way, we need a true lead back.

[New World Order]

We’ve drafted around the 30th pick in the first round for the last 6 drafts.

We traded for or signed multiple players IN-SEASON this year.

Pretty remarkable we’ve been able to hold it together for this long

[Gary Cooper]

They've gotten away with patchwork WRs in back to back SB runs and tried the same with this Thuney/Caliendo tandem on the left side. Just didn't work this time.

[DRM08]

5 different guys at Left Tackle the last 2 seasons. You ended up having to downgrade your Left Guard situation when you moved the starting LG to play Left Tackle. Too much of a revolving door at the Left Tackle spot. Other contending teams have a much more stable situation at Left Tackle.

[FloridaMan88]

Paying premium $$$ for 3/5’s of the offensive line, while trying to get by on the cheap at LT is a flawed premise.

Especially when one of those highly paid players… Thuney and his 5th highest AAV among left guards has to be moved to LT.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Idk how anyone cannot see this.

Andy Reid stood at the combine in 2023 and said Skyy Moore and Kadarius Toney were their top WR’s. We saw how that went.

In fact, can anyone tell me without looking what WR has had the most snaps of any Chiefs WR the last 2 seasons? Anyone? Ready for it? It’s Justin Watson. Nobody has played more snaps at that position than him the last 2 years.

Don’t even get me started on the OL. A late 3rd and late 2nd on tackles are considered projects. They are not real shots at a LT historically speaking. Shocking that they turned out to look like projects.
We have had 5 starting LT’s the last 2 years. FIVE.

The RB room had the least explosive plays of any RB room in the entire league. Only 17 10+ explosive plays all year. We even had some loser with an Alligator that plays FB take starting snaps

I get that it sucked losing Pacheco, Hollywood and Rashee. I understand and am not faulting Veach. The fact is that Kareem Hunt, Juju, DeAndre Hopkins and Travis Kelce are old. They aren’t explosive anymore. That was painfully clear tonight. It’s why Veach doesn’t like signing 30+ year old players unless he absolutely has to.

Again this isn’t a Veach bitch fest it’s just the facts. I think Veach is gonna take a hammer to this offense and hard after OL and explosive playmakers.

Thankfully he’s got an extra pick early thanks to Sneed

We still got dumb bitches in here talking about not giving up on Kingsley.

Bret has had one great draft and that's it.

[GordonGekko]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Idk how anyone cannot see this.

Andy Reid stood at the combine in 2023 and said Skyy Moore and Kadarius Toney were their top WR’s. We saw how that went.

In fact, can anyone tell me without looking what WR has had the most snaps of any Chiefs WR the last 2 seasons? Anyone? Ready for it? It’s Justin Watson. Nobody has played more snaps at that position than him the last 2 years.

Don’t even get me started on the OL. A late 3rd and late 2nd on tackles are considered projects. They are not real shots at a LT historically speaking. Shocking that they turned out to look like projects.
We have had 5 starting LT’s the last 2 years. FIVE.

The RB room had the least explosive plays of any RB room in the entire league. Only 17 10+ explosive plays all year. We even had some loser with an Alligator that plays FB take starting snaps

I get that it sucked losing Pacheco, Hollywood and Rashee. I understand and am not faulting Veach. The fact is that Kareem Hunt, Juju, DeAndre Hopkins and Travis Kelce are old. They aren’t explosive anymore. That was painfully clear tonight. It’s why Veach doesn’t like signing 30+ year old players unless he absolutely has to.

Again this isn’t a Veach bitch fest it’s just the facts. I think Veach is gonna take a hammer to this offense and hard after OL and explosive playmakers.

Thankfully he’s got an extra pick early thanks to Sneed

LT is priority #1 for this organization while Mahomes is at QB, and should be treated as such. Learning the harsh LT lesson again in the Superbowl has been really rough, you'd think these front office guys making many $ millions would know this. Clark Hunt needs to spare no expense in doing whatever needs to be done to fix the OL, if that means bringing in external OL gurus to help Veach who sucks at drafting OL he should do that. We only have so much time with Mahomes to win championships

[OKchiefs]

It doesn't have to be either or. Yes, the talent is extremely deficient on offense. No RBs, receivers are still subpar, No explosive option at TE anymore, and the tackles are some of the worst in the league.

That being said, the coaches are not doing the players any favors. I'm a believer in Andy Heck being a huge problem on the OL. I still don't like Connor Embree. Who knows what Bleymaier does as passing game coordinator. Nagy is probably just a puppet. Reid's offense has gotten stale and boring. Playcalling is not good. They don't stick wtih the run, players often execute poorly (yes that's on the players but the coaches also don't get them ready). It's not just a single issue, it's a culmination of a lot of problems that all reared their ugly heads at once.

[wannaGOback]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Idk how anyone cannot see this.

Andy Reid stood at the combine in 2023 and said Skyy Moore and Kadarius Toney were their top WR’s. We saw how that went.

In fact, can anyone tell me without looking what WR has had the most snaps of any Chiefs WR the last 2 seasons? Anyone? Ready for it? It’s Justin Watson. Nobody has played more snaps at that position than him the last 2 years.

Don’t even get me started on the OL. A late 3rd and late 2nd on tackles are considered projects. They are not real shots at a LT historically speaking. Shocking that they turned out to look like projects.
We have had 5 starting LT’s the last 2 years. FIVE.

The RB room had the least explosive plays of any RB room in the entire league. Only 17 10+ explosive plays all year. We even had some loser with an Alligator that plays FB take starting snaps

I get that it sucked losing Pacheco, Hollywood and Rashee. I understand and am not faulting Veach. The fact is that Kareem Hunt, Juju, DeAndre Hopkins and Travis Kelce are old. They aren’t explosive anymore. That was painfully clear tonight. It’s why Veach doesn’t like signing 30+ year old players unless he absolutely has to.

Again this isn’t a Veach bitch fest it’s just the facts. I think Veach is gonna take a hammer to this offense and hard after OL and explosive playmakers.

Thankfully he’s got an extra pick early thanks to Sneed

I have a question for you. Do you believe Washington WR room, QB, and offensive line is more talented than the chiefs? Overall. And if not. Why did they put up 350 scrimmage yards vs our 275(really 150 vs starters)

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

We still got dumb bitches in here talking about not giving up on Kingsley.

Bret has had one great draft and that's it.

This is so dumb. They have picked last in every rd. There isn’t a true blue chip player that is available that late.

Creed and Trey are excellent draft picks. Rashee was looking like a star in the making. Worthy looks like a star too.

Even Pacheco before his injury this year has been really good with explosive plays.

He isn’t terrible drafting

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by OKchiefs

It doesn't have to be either or. Yes, the talent is extremely deficient on offense. No RBs, receivers are still subpar, No explosive option at TE anymore, and the tackles are some of the worst in the league.

That being said, the coaches are not doing the players any favors. I'm a believer in Andy Heck being a huge problem on the OL. I still don't like Connor Embree. Who knows what Bleymaier does as passing game coordinator. Nagy is probably just a puppet. Reid's offense has gotten stale and boring. Playcalling is not good. They don't stick wtih the run, players often execute poorly (yes that's on the players but the coaches also don't get them ready). It's not just a single issue, it's a culmination of a lot of problems that all reared their ugly heads at once.

The Chiefs averaged 28 PPG in the 4 games before the SB when Thuney took over at LT and Hollywood came back. All 4 games vs playoff teams.

It’s a talent problem

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by RunKC

The Chiefs averaged 28 PPG in the 4 games before the SB when Thuney took over at LT and Hollywood came back. All 4 games vs playoff teams.

It’s a talent problem

Moving Thuney to LT really hurt because it made LG so damn bad.

Probably wouldn’t have made a huge difference but I remember seeing stats about how Kingsley was completely left on an island. Chiefs even gave Morris more help. Then even more for Thuney while implementing a quicker passing game with healthy receivers.

I wonder what the season would’ve looked like if Reid gave Kingsley that help and adjusted the playcalling accordingly. Ya know…what you would typically do with a rookie LT.

Kingsley has the physical tools, so maybe he grows throughout the year while being protected.

Maybe he still sucks, but the Chiefs management of him will always be perplexing to me.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by OKchiefs

It doesn't have to be either or. Yes, the talent is extremely deficient on offense. No RBs, receivers are still subpar, No explosive option at TE anymore, and the tackles are some of the worst in the league.

That being said, the coaches are not doing the players any favors. I'm a believer in Andy Heck being a huge problem on the OL. I still don't like Connor Embree. Who knows what Bleymaier does as passing game coordinator. Nagy is probably just a puppet. Reid's offense has gotten stale and boring. Playcalling is not good. They don't stick wtih the run, players often execute poorly (yes that's on the players but the coaches also don't get them ready). It's not just a single issue, it's a culmination of a lot of problems that all reared their ugly heads at once.

Losing your #1 WR [Rice] will cause a hit.

The team decided to resign CJ.

Yes, there is probably too much money tied up in the OL between Thuney, center and RT, but no GM has every player below market.

Three-peats are hard.

Not seeing play calling going to make up for that much of that.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

We live and die with Mahomes. He didn't play like the legend he is tonight.