Gretz Article: Shields in a boot - Page 2

shaneo69 · 08-18-2006, 10:01 AM

Gretz: "This group of Chiefs veterans has done nothing to think they are anything special in the NFL. They didn’t make the playoffs last year, or the year before. They’ve made the playoffs once in the last eight years. All those Pro Bowl berths and offensive records are withered flowers when it comes to the 2006 season.

As a team, they’ve accomplished nothing. And, that’s exactly what they accomplished Thursday night before a national television audience: nothing."

Whatever you do, Bob, don't blame the guy who has assembled these players who have made the playoffs once in the last eight years.

chiefqueen · 08-18-2006, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69

Gretz: "This group of Chiefs veterans has done nothing to think they are anything special in the NFL. They didn’t make the playoffs last year, or the year before. They’ve made the playoffs once in the last eight years. All those Pro Bowl berths and offensive records are withered flowers when it comes to the 2006 season.

As a team, they’ve accomplished nothing. And, that’s exactly what they accomplished Thursday night before a national television audience: nothing."

Whatever you do, Bob, don't blame the guy who has assembled these players who have made the playoffs once in the last eight years.

If he did that he wouldn't get paid, then how would he eat??

ChiefsCountry · 08-18-2006, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69

Whatever you do, Bob, don't blame the guy who has assembled these players who have made the playoffs once in the last eight years.

Okay write an article telling your boss that he picked the wrong people.

Calcountry · 08-18-2006, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69

Gretz: "This group of Chiefs veterans has done nothing to think they are anything special in the NFL. They didn’t make the playoffs last year, or the year before. They’ve made the playoffs once in the last eight years. All those Pro Bowl berths and offensive records are withered flowers when it comes to the 2006 season.

As a team, they’ve accomplished nothing. And, that’s exactly what they accomplished Thursday night before a national television audience: nothing."

Whatever you do, Bob, don't blame the guy who has assembled these players who have made the playoffs once in the last eight years.

No kidding. And more than that, never ever blame the guy who faithfully keeps him employed.

jiveturkey · 08-18-2006, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

When was the last time you saw Black play GUARD? Name it for me, and then I'll explain to you why you're wrong.

I prefer Black at Guard as well but I would still like to hear your thinking behind it.

htismaqe · 08-18-2006, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jiveturkey

I prefer Black at Guard as well but I would still like to hear your thinking behind it.

My thinking behind the specific post was that he won't be able to name the last time he saw Black at guard...can you?

The simple fact is that Black has seen limited snaps at guard and has been good to DOMINANT (vs. the Ravens in 2004) at the position.

But people's minds are so clouded by his putrescence at tackle that they can't separate the two positions. He sucks at tackle so therefore he must completely suck.

Mr. Laz · 08-18-2006, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

When was the last time you saw Black play GUARD? Name it for me, and then I'll explain to you why you're wrong.

last night against the Giants

htismaqe · 08-18-2006, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

last night against the Giants

I haven't actually seen the game yet.

ct · 08-18-2006, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

last night against the Giants

Yes he did play at G last night, and I saw him get burned badly once. Honestly the only time I saw him.

ChiefsCountry · 08-18-2006, 11:56 AM

I remember watching Black destroy Ray Lewis on MNF. Guard seems to be his natural position, heck that is what we drafted him for.

tk13 · 08-18-2006, 12:07 PM

The wheels on the bus go over Vermeil, over Vermeil, over Vermeil. The wheels on the bus go over Vermeil, all the live long day.

tk13 · 08-18-2006, 12:21 PM

Seriously though, this is going to get old really quick, especially from Gretz. Vermeil hasn't been here for almost 9 months now. I don't want to hear this garbage every time we lose how it's Vermeil's fault because we're not a "team". He's not here anymore! We have a a brand new coaching staff that's had months of OTA's and mini camps and training camp to work with the team and mold them. We hear all this garbage about the changes they made to make it more like a "team", and then when it doesn't work right away we're going to blame Vermeil again.

That's a bunch of garbage... and it's the real problem with this organization, nobody is ever held at fault. Just like Gunther can fail and fail and fail... and first it's the players, then it's the coaches. But never Gunther! Or Carl getting 218 chances to build this team. Everybody always has an excuse.

stevieray · 08-18-2006, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

That's a bunch of garbage... and it's the real problem with this organization, nobody is ever held at fault. Just like Gunther can fail and fail and fail... and first it's the players, then it's the coaches. But never Gunther! Or Carl getting 218 chances to build this team. Everybody always has an excuse.

Somebody in the know once told me that everyone at Arrowhead takes advantage of each other.

Vermiel might've been here for five years, but where is the continuity this team seems to have lost since the 97 playoff team?

Gunther inherited a team in disarray, as did DV. DV bulit one half in his tenure, but didn't leave Herm any depth. At all. With the loss of PH, WR. and TR, if we lose another starter on offense, especially skill position, we're done. Without depth for this season or the future.

Same on defense, other than safety where is our depth?.... and even that remains to be seen. While we do have some talent, we all see what happens if Tamba gets hurt, or KM, etc.

The defense seems unable to find an identity, and how could they? Once again, they are changing systems on the fly. How many systems has KM learned since he's been here? No continuity.

And there lies the rub...SD is building a solid franchise for the future, the Invescos remain competitive every year,(hell, they take cast off DT's and get better production than our first round picks). Shanny isn't going anywhere, and Marty prolly isn't either, while we play on the neverending merry go round of patch work and hope. If we were going with a defensive minded coach, you have to retain AS to at least keep some of the magic on offense intact, especially when you lose lockerroom leaders like roaf, Priest, and TRch

While I still have hope, it just seems the expectations are a little too high for a first year coach.

**Nzoner** · 08-18-2006, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

Somebody in the know once told me that everyone at Arrowhead takes advantage of each other.

Vermiel might've been here for five years, but where is the continuity this team seems to have lost since the 97 playoff team?

Gunther inherited a team in disarray, as did DV. DV bulit one half in his tenure, but didn't leave Herm any depth. At all. With the loss of PH, WR. and TR, if we lose another starter on offense, especially skill position, we're done. Without depth for this season or the future.

Same on defense, other than safety where is our depth?.... and even that remains to be seen. While we do have some talent, we all see what happens if Tamba gets hurt, or KM, etc.

The defense seems unable to find an identity, and how could they? Once again, they are changing systems on the fly. How many systems has KM learned since he's been here? No continuity.

And there lies the rub...SD is building a solid franchise for the future, the Invescos remain competitive every year,(hell, they take cast off DT's and get better production than our first round picks). Shanny isn't going anywhere, and Marty prolly isn't either, while we play on the neverending merry go round of patch work and hope. If we were going with a defensive minded coach, you have to retain AS to at least keep some of the magic on offense intact, especially when you lose lockerroom leaders like roaf, Priest, and TRch

While I still have hope, it just seems the expectations are a little too high for a first year coach.

Wow buddy that was a depressing read(although very true) and not trying to be funny but if this continues I'm thinking I may be glad I didn't renew.

stevieray · 08-18-2006, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Nzoner 338

Wow buddy that was a depressing read(although very true) and not trying to be funny but if this continues I'm thinking I may be glad I didn't renew.

I actually thought about you in that context after the game last night.

08-18-2006, 10:01 AM	#1
shaneo69 Smug Weasel Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bleachers at Busch Casino cash: $10004900	Gretz: "This group of Chiefs veterans has done nothing to think they are anything special in the NFL. They didn’t make the playoffs last year, or the year before. They’ve made the playoffs once in the last eight years. All those Pro Bowl berths and offensive records are withered flowers when it comes to the 2006 season. As a team, they’ve accomplished nothing. And, that’s exactly what they accomplished Thursday night before a national television audience: nothing." Whatever you do, Bob, don't blame the guy who has assembled these players who have made the playoffs once in the last eight years. __________________ "I like Chiefs president Carl Peterson. I respect his business savvy. I envy his management skills and his penchant never to be driven by the whims of popularity. I admire his willingness to take responsibility for decisions that don’t work out the way he would have wanted." - Rufus, from KCChiefs.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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08-18-2006, 11:56 AM	#10
ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $-1521248	I remember watching Black destroy Ray Lewis on MNF. Guard seems to be his natural position, heck that is what we drafted him for.
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08-18-2006, 12:07 PM	#11
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1827500	The wheels on the bus go over Vermeil, over Vermeil, over Vermeil. The wheels on the bus go over Vermeil, all the live long day.
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08-18-2006, 12:21 PM	#12
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1827500	Seriously though, this is going to get old really quick, especially from Gretz. Vermeil hasn't been here for almost 9 months now. I don't want to hear this garbage every time we lose how it's Vermeil's fault because we're not a "team". He's not here anymore! We have a a brand new coaching staff that's had months of OTA's and mini camps and training camp to work with the team and mold them. We hear all this garbage about the changes they made to make it more like a "team", and then when it doesn't work right away we're going to blame Vermeil again. That's a bunch of garbage... and it's the real problem with this organization, nobody is ever held at fault. Just like Gunther can fail and fail and fail... and first it's the players, then it's the coaches. But never Gunther! Or Carl getting 218 chances to build this team. Everybody always has an excuse.
Posts: 56,683