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Old 08-29-2006, 07:19 AM  
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Rumsfeld: Terrorist Groups 'Actively Manipulating' U.S. Media

Rumsfeld: Terrorist Groups 'Actively Manipulating' U.S. Media
Monday, August 28, 2006

FALLON NAVAL AIR STATION, Nevada Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said he is deeply troubled by the success of terrorist groups in "manipulating the media" to influence Westerners.

"That's the thing that keeps me up at night," he said Monday during a question-and-answer session with about 200 naval aviators and other Navy personnel at this flight training base for Navy and Marine pilots.

Rumsfeld was asked whether the criticism he draws as Pentagon chief and a leading advocate of the war in Iraq is an impediment to performing his job. He said it was not and he knows from history that wars are normally unpopular with many Americans. "I expect that," he said. "I understand that."


"What bothers me the most is how clever the enemy is," he continued, launching an extensive broadside at Islamic extremist groups which he said are trying to undermine Western support for the war on terror.

"They are actively manipulating the media in this country" by, for example, falsely blaming U.S. troops for civilian deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan, he said.


"They can lie with impunity," he said, while U.S. troops are held to a high standard of conduct.

Later, in remarks prepared for delivery at a Reno, Nevada, convention of the Veterans of Foreign Wars, Rumsfeld made similar points.

"The enemy lies constantly almost totally without consequence," he told the veterans group, which was presenting him with the Dwight D. Eisenhower Distinguished Service Award. "They portray our cause as a war on Islam when in fact the overwhelming majority of victims of their terrorism have been thousands and thousands of innocent Muslims men, women and children they have killed."

In his prepared remarks at Reno he also said, "While some argue for tossing in the towel, the enemy is waiting and hoping for us to do just that."

Rumsfeld often complains about what he calls the terrorists' success in persuading Westerners that the U.S.-led wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are part of a crusade against Islam. In his remarks at Fallon he did not offer any new examples of media manipulation; he put unusual emphasis, however, on the negative impact it is having on Americans in an era of 24-hour news.

"The enemy is so much better at communicating," he added. "I wish we were better at countering that because the constant drumbeat of things they say all of which are not true is harmful. It's cumulative. And it does weaken people's will and lessen their determination, and raise questions in their minds as to whether the cost is worth it," he said alluding to Americans and other Westerners.

Rumsfeld flew to Fallon on Monday from Fairbanks, Alaska, where he spent the weekend meeting with families of soldiers deployed in Iraq. He also visited a missile defense site at Ft. Greely and met Sunday with Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov to discuss Iraq and other issues.

Vice President Dick Cheney addressed the VFW convention in Reno on Monday morning. He asserted to the veterans that policies initiated by the Bush administration are the reason the United States hasn't been attacked since the Sept. 11 terrorist strikes five years ago.

Cheney defended the Iraq war as necessary in the overall battle against terrorism and reiterated the administration's position that U.S. troops would not withdraw until Iraqi forces were able to maintain order and stability.


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Rumsfeld: Terrorist Groups 'Actively Manipulating' U.S. Media


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Old 08-29-2006, 12:01 PM   #46
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There's a difference between simply saying that you don't agree that the war is a good idea for us and insinuating that on the scale of disparageable offenses, we outweigh our enemy:

You are certainly not a jingoist, but you should take care not to go too far in the other direction.
Please note, that I did not bring AQ into this debate. SR did. I simply responded to it initially due to his sarcasm. Initially, I brought up how Rummy is guilty of the same tactics. I added numbers of dead to show the damage from Rummy's lies. Perhaps I coulda said over 2,000 or our people have died in Iraq with over 10,000 maimed and injured as a result of Rummy's lies too to avenge the deaths of 3,000. Too me all those deaths were unecessary.
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Old 08-29-2006, 12:51 PM   #47
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Where has Hezbollah said they want America destroyed?

I know they want to destroy Israel. Their attacks have been on Israeli targets.

There has been no large scale attack by Hezbollah on our soil against Americans. The Marine barracks bombing was not an act of terror. That was on a military target when we got involved in their civil war. Reagan pulled out realizing it was a fruitless move.

All, I know as of the recent, due to Lebanese battle they have said they welcome war with us. But that's not the same thing.
Why do you keep coming here with the misguided notion that an attack against the US is acceptable as long as it isn't a terroristic attack (i.e. an attack against a nonmilitary target)? I really don't understand that at all.

Our foreign embassies are considered "our soil" so I guess it depends on what you mean by "large scale." To me, the 1983 embassy bombing was large scale enough.
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Old 08-29-2006, 01:02 PM   #48
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Where has Hezbollah said they want America destroyed?
Here is a translation from a letter published in a Lebanese newspaper (al-Safir) in February 1985. The letter is purported to carry "unmistakable imprint" of Sheikh Muhammad Hussein Fadlallah, a Hezbollah spiritual leader:

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The US has tried, through its local agents, to persuade the people that those who crushed their arrogance in Lebanon and frustrated their conspiracy against the oppressed (mustad'afin) were nothing but a bunch of fanatic terrorists whose sole aim is to dynamite bars and destroy slot machines. Such suggestions cannot and will not mislead our umma, for the whole world knows that whoever wishes to oppose the US, that arrogant superpower, cannot indulge in marginal acts which may make it deviate from its major objective. We combat abomination and we shall tear out its very roots, its primary roots, which are the US. All attempts made to drive us into marginal actions will fail, especially as our determination to fight the US is solid.

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Old 08-29-2006, 01:10 PM   #49
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Please note, that I did not bring AQ into this debate. SR did. I simply responded to it initially due to his sarcasm. Initially, I brought up how Rummy is guilty of the same tactics. I added numbers of dead to show the damage from Rummy's lies. Perhaps I coulda said over 2,000 or our people have died in Iraq with over 10,000 maimed and injured as a result of Rummy's lies too to avenge the deaths of 3,000. Too me all those deaths were unecessary.
I reject your use of the word "lie." I recognize that every politician spins the truth and I also know that sometimes people say "we know" when the truth is "we believe" but aside from that I can't say that I remember any significant lies coming from Rumsfeld. The mushroom cloud thing that you referred to earlier in this thread wasn't a lie and it wasn't Rumsfeld. I'd love to hear your best, most indisputable example of a Rumsfeld lie.
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Old 08-29-2006, 01:11 PM   #50
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Why do you keep coming here with the misguided notion that an attack against the US is acceptable as long as it isn't a terroristic attack (i.e. an attack against a nonmilitary target)? I really don't understand that at all.

Our foreign embassies are considered "our soil" so I guess it depends on what you mean by "large scale." To me, the 1983 embassy bombing was large scale enough.
The U.S. military idiots that deployed nearly all assets in one container and failed to defend this large cement tomb is partly to blame for the Beirut embassy bombing.

Kinda similar to our deployment in Iraq after the elimination of the Iraqi army. Now we find ourselves in the middle of a civil war.

And the Israeli disaster recently in Lebanon.

If we are going to defend ourselves lets be proactive and plan ahead. Lives are at stake.
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Old 08-29-2006, 01:13 PM   #51
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The U.S. military idiots that deployed nearly all assets in one container and failed to defend this large cement tomb is partly to blame for the Beirut embassy bombing.
No. Military idiots might make costly mistakes, but the blame lies with those who planned, financed, endorsed and executed the attack.
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Old 08-29-2006, 01:26 PM   #52
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The U.S. military idiots that deployed nearly all assets in one container and failed to defend this large cement tomb is partly to blame for the Beirut embassy bombing.
Yeah, I say the same thing every time some floozy in a miniskirt starts yapping about 'that was rape!!'

Friggen broads.
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Old 08-29-2006, 01:42 PM   #53
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...I can't say that I remember any significant lies coming from Rumsfeld. The mushroom cloud thing that you referred to earlier in this thread wasn't a lie and it wasn't Rumsfeld. . .
that's right, it was the evil genious karl rove that lied about mushroom clouds, through his puppets condi rice and dick cheney...

puppets, i tells ya, puppets...

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Old 08-29-2006, 01:48 PM   #54
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Yeah, I say the same thing every time some floozy in a miniskirt starts yapping about 'that was rape!!'

Friggen broads.
i didn't know you liked floozies in miniskirts...

let me guess, atheletic floozies?

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Old 08-29-2006, 02:52 PM   #55
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It's not that the western world wants Hezbo to be the enemy, they are the enemy. Period. They want us destroyed, along with Isreal. Nothing will appease them. You give them what they want and they will come back fighting for more. They march to the orders of Iran. These people would cut your throat in a second if given the chance. Hezbo likes to hide behind and use civilians to prop up their propaganda war. To me that makes them terrorists. Isreal may have killed civilians during the conflict, but I am sure they did not specifically target them like terrorist groups seem to always do.
Perhaps. However, Israel is just as guilty. The sad part is, we decided, long ago, to take sides in a fight that isn't ours to take sides on. Therefore, you see them as the enemy while Hezbo sees Israel and in effect us as the enemy. It's not like they attacked Israel for no reason.

Yeah there's a huge difference between accidentally killing civilians and killing civilians. It's so big! Both ways they die.
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Old 08-29-2006, 03:08 PM   #56
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There has been no large scale attack by Hezbollah on our soil against Americans. The Marine barracks bombing was not an act of terror. That was on a military target.
Are you retarded? Seriously.

An attack on a US embassy or Installation is an attack on US Soil, and I don't give a shit who did it or why, killing 240 US Marines is an act of war any way you slice it.

Hezbollah is Iran's bitch, and is doing their bidding. They're terrorists and should all be smoldering in burning rubble.
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Are you retarded? Seriously.

An attack on a US embassy or Installation is an attack on US Soil, and I don't give a shit who did it or why, killing 240 US Marines is an act of war any way you slice it.

Hezbollah is Iran's bitch, and is doing their bidding. They're terrorists and should all be smoldering in burning rubble.
Yet on the flip side, America took sides in a war that isn't there's. We should never have taken sides in the ME and we are paying for it now.
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There is a reason AQ only releases information to CBS and CNN.
Got any proof to back that up?

Didn't think so.
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Pharmacological experimentation ain't helping the incompetent imbecile.
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Why do you keep coming here with the misguided notion that an attack against the US is acceptable as long as it isn't a terroristic attack (i.e. an attack against a nonmilitary target)? I really don't understand that at all.

Our foreign embassies are considered "our soil" so I guess it depends on what you mean by "large scale." To me, the 1983 embassy bombing was large scale enough.

Who said it was acceptable?
I recogniize it as an act of war. If we choose to get involved in any conflict (war) as soon as we take a side we will be attacked. That's not misguided. That's common sense.

What is misguided is to plant ourselves in a civil war, such as Lebanon, or any conflict and then cry they attacked us.

We don't belong there. We belong there even less if we don't want attacks. You wanna be there...take some responsibility and take the expected hit. Ronald Reagan recognized it. Is he also misguided?


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Ever notice how Switzerland is NEVER attacked.
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