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Old 10-08-2008, 08:37 AM   Topic Starter
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War Deaths and Abortions: No Moral Equivalence

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Originally Posted by penchief
Or how is it that people like KCJohnny are pro-killing hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians including women, children, and unborn babies?

Pro-life, my ass. Anti-abortion, maybe, but not pro-life.


You are not correct.

A few facts from a vet who was there when Baghdad fell.

1. Iraqis were 4x likely to be killed by their own government than by enemy combatants after the March 2003 invasion;
2. Figures by reliable organizations place the total civilian death count since 2003 at about 96,000. What they don't tell you is that enemy combatants are rolled into that number. So are Iraqis killed by enemy combatants. The enemy in Iraq (Al Qaeda, Mahdi Army, 1920 Brigades, Badr Brigades, Ansar al Islam, etc...) do not wear uniforms and are considered "civilian deaths" by statiticians tracking the body count in OIF.
3. The greatest killer of Iraqi civilians are other Iraqis. Insurgency operations are focused on the perceived collaborators (Iraqis fighting with us against the insurgents) and not the perceived 'occupier'. Therefore suicide bombers target Iraqi police, Iraqi Army, and Iraqi civilians. The overwhelming preponderance of Iraqi civilians killed are killed by other Iraqis.
4. The strategy of AQ is to foment sectarian strife between Shia and Sunni. This is why AQ bombed the Golden Dome Mosque (Shiite) in Samarra in 2006. The Shiite response was to retaliate against Sunnis by deploying 'death squads'. This strategy was designed to foment Sunni regional intervention on behalf of Iraqi Sunnis. General Petraeus cut its head off and stuck it on a pole called "The Surge" (actually counterinsurgency).
5. The first principle of counterinsurgency (Field Manual 3-24) is PROTECT THE POPULATION. So how does that fit your pet liberal, anti-US theory?
6. The actual count of Iraqi noncombatant civilians killed by Coalition Forces is inconsequential.

To all Chiefs Planet posters: these are true facts, I was there at MNF-I HQs in February (as many of you know), and this is why these arguments are so much leftist bluster.

Now, as regarding Mr. Mecca's protestations, 40 million babies killed in their own mothers' wombs since 1973 with the legal protections for the predators compared to a few hundred deeply regretted colatteral casualties in a war to liberate 25 million people from a murderous terrorist tyrant is hardly worth comparison.
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