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Old 10-27-2008, 11:49 PM  
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Palin, "the new Ronald Reagan?"

Aides to George W.Bush, former Reagan White House staff and friends of John McCain have all told The Sunday Telegraph that they not only expect to lose on November 4, but also believe that Mr Obama is poised to win a crushing mandate.

They believe he will be powerful enough to remake the American political landscape with even more ease than Ronald Reagan did in 1980.

The prospect of an electoral rout has unleashed a bitter bout of recriminations both within the McCain campaign and the wider conservative movement, over who is to blame and what should be done to salvage the party's future.

Mr McCain is now facing calls for him to sacrifice his own dwindling White House hopes and focus on saving vulnerable Republican Senate seats which are up for grabs on the same day.

Their fear is that Democrat candidates riding on Mr Obama's popularity may win the nine extra seats they need in the Senate to give them unfettered power in Congress.

If the Democrat majority in the Senate is big enough - at least 60 seats to 40 - the Republicans will be unable to block legislation by use of a traditional filibuster - talking until legislation runs out of time. No president has had the support of such a majority since Jimmy Carter won the 1976 election. President Reagan achieved his political transformation partly through the power of his personality.

David Frum, a former Bush speechwriter, told The Sunday Telegraph that Republicans should now concentrate all their fire on "the need for balanced government".

"It's hard to see a turnaround in the White House race," he said. "This could look like an ideological as well as a party victory if we're not careful. It could be 1980 in reverse.

"With this huge new role for federal government in the economy, the possibility for mischief making is very, very great. One man should not have a monopoly of political and financial power. That's very dangerous."

In North Carolina, where Senator Elizabeth Dole seems set to loose, Republicans are running adverts that appear to take an Obama victory for granted, warning that the Democrat will have a "blank cheque" if her rival Kay Hagen wins. "These liberals want complete control of government in a time of crisis," the narrator says. "All branches of Government. No checks and balances."

Democrats lead in eight of the 12 competitive Senate races and need just nine gains to reach their target of 60. Even Mitch McConnell, the leader of Senate Republicans, is at risk in Kentucky, normally a rock solid red state.

A private memo on the likely result of the congressional elections, leaked to Politico, has the Republicans losing 37 seats.

Ed Rollins, who masterminded Ronald Reagan's second victory in 1984, said the election is already over and predicted: "This is going to turn into a landslide."

A former White House official who still advises President Bush told The Sunday Telegraph: "McCain hasn't won independents, nor has he inspired the base. It's the worst of all worlds. He is dragging everyone else down with him. He needs to deploy people and money to salvage what we can in Congress."

The prospect of defeat has unleashed what insiders describe as an "every man for himself" culture within the McCain campaign, with aides in a "circular firing squad" as blame is assigned.

More profoundly, it sparked the first salvoes in a Republican civil war with echoes of Tory infighting during their years in the political wilderness.

One wing believes the party has to emulate David Cameron, by adapting the issues to fight on and the positions they hold, while the other believes that a back to basics approach will reconnect with heartland voters and ensure success. Modernisers fear that would leave Republicans marginalised, like the Tories were during the Iain Duncan Smith years, condemning them to opposition for a decade.

Mr Frum argues that just as America is changing, so the Republican Party must adapt its economic message and find more to say about healthcare and the environment if it is to survive.

He said: "I don't know that there's a lot of realism in the Republican Party. We have an economic message that is largely irrelevant to most people.

"Cutting personal tax rates is not the answer to everything. The Bush years were largely prosperous but while national income was up the numbers for most individuals were not. Republicans find that a hard fact to process."

Other Republicans have jumped ship completely. Ken Adelman, a Pentagon adviser on the Iraq war, Matthew Dowd, who was Mr Bush's chief re-election strategist, and Scott McClellan, Mr Bush's former press secretary, have all endorsed Mr Obama.

But the real bile has been saved for those conservatives who have balked at the selection of Sarah Palin.

In addition to Mr Frum, who thinks her not ready to be president, Peggy Noonan, Ronald Reagan's greatest speechwriter and a columnist with the Wall Street Journal, condemned Mr McCain's running mate as a "symptom and expression of a new vulgarisation of American politics." Conservative columnist David Brooks called her a "fatal cancer to the Republican Party".

The backlash that ensued last week revealed the fault lines of the coming civil war.

Rush Limbaugh, the doyen of right wing talk radio hosts, denounced Noonan, Brooks and Frum. Neconservative writer Charles Krauthammer condemned "the rush of wet-fingered conservatives leaping to Barack Obama", while fellow columnist Tony Blankley said that instead of collaborating in heralding Mr Obama's arrival they should be fighting "in a struggle to the political death for the soul of the country".

During the primaries the Democratic Party was bitterly divided between Barack Obama's "latte liberals" and Hillary Clinton's heartland supporters, but now the same cultural division threatens to tear the Republican Party apart.

Jim Nuzzo, a White House aide to the first President Bush, dismissed Mrs Palin's critics as "cocktail party conservatives" who "give aid and comfort to the enemy".

He told The Sunday Telegraph: "There's going to be a bloodbath. A lot of people are going to be excommunicated. David Brooks and David Frum and Peggy Noonan are dead people in the Republican Party. The litmus test will be: where did you stand on Palin?"

Mr Frum thinks that Mrs Palin's brand of cultural conservatism appeals only to a dwindling number of voters.

He said: "She emerges from this election as the probable frontrunner for the 2012 nomination. Her supporters vastly outnumber her critics. But it will be extremely difficult for her to win the presidency."

Mr Nuzzo, who believes this election is not a re-run of the 1980 Reagan revolution but of 1976, when an ageing Gerald Ford lost a close contest and then ceded the leadership of the Republican Party to Mr Reagan.

He said: "Win or lose, there is a ready made conservative candidate waiting in the wings. Sarah Palin is not the new Iain Duncan Smith, she is the new Ronald Reagan." On the accuracy of that judgment, perhaps, rests the future of the Republican Party.


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Old 10-28-2008, 02:19 AM   #16
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Seeing as Bush was "the new Ronald Reagan" 8 years ago, I think it's a potentially apt description.

Unfortunately for her and her ambitions, she is temporary; fleeting. She will become nothing but a footnote to an average reality.
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Old 10-28-2008, 02:20 AM   #17
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I think that there will be a faction of Palin-ites who will be in so much denial of reality that they'll give it a shot. And there are enough Republicans out there who are well practiced at denying reality, that she could end up a front-runner. But only if McCain manages to make it close. If the McCain camp loses by an electoral landslide, the stink of loss on her will be too much to overcome. She'd have to break a too well constructed cultural caricature that will be set like carbonite in the minds of the American people.

Win or lose, though, the combination of the Palin pick and the entire Barack Obama phenomenon is going to cause a great evolution in the Republican party. Between the two of them, they've blown open doors of opportunity and ambition that could lead to the rebirth of the Republican party. I think we're going to see a fractured party for a long time, and a civil war that will effectively be The Establishment Republican vs. New Era Conservatives. It's likely that the Establishment Republicans will win out in 2012, and we see something similar to a race between Mitt Romney and Sarah Palin (or insert Fred Thompson, or Huckleberry, or any other establishment Republican who don't understand conservative economics and are just hoping to be the pretty head on top of the establishment machine). After the establishment Republicans lose again in another electoral landslide, I predict that there will be enough Internet-mobilized New Era Conservatives who actually understand conservative economics ready to make a difference for the 2016 election -- where they're going to face off with a very well positioned Hillary Clinton. (I have a hunch that Obama might make her the seceratary of state - a move that has the potential to make her invincible in 2016).

From the looks of things, this is the guy that the New Era Conservatives are trying to put into position to run against Hillary in 2016. I'm more interested in this race than the presidential election at this point.
At least you didn't link to Jindal. The RR psychos will ****ing love that guy.
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Old 10-28-2008, 02:31 AM   #18
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The ability of the right wing to control the political narrative while the Democrats treated the term liberal like a pejorative certainly helped.

His presidency was like a PR campaign for Monsanto. **** ten things up, run a couple of 30 second ad spots talking about the two schillings you gave to charity, and reap the rewards (while your farmers can't reap shit because of the terminator gene in your seeds).
That's why I love seeing Republicans keep trying to pin the "media creation" label on Obama. The entire reason their party has had carte blanche for so long is because they're the Party of PR. As long as they've been able to sell the public on the Democrats being un-American elitists, they've been able to steer money into the pockets of the "real" (read: rich) America while convincing the middle class that they're working for them.

Now that this isn't working for them anymore, they're waking up to a cold new reality. It took way too long, but they finally ****ed up enough that calling someone a liberal elitist isn't enough to hang on anymore.
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Old 10-28-2008, 02:34 AM   #19
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At least you didn't link to Jindal. The RR psychos will ****ing love that guy.
If he actually goes through with running in 2012, he's not only crazy but dumb.
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Old 10-28-2008, 05:19 AM   #20
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as good as he is, there IS room for improvement in the BO camp. They would be well-advised to seek David Gergen's council, post-election...at the very least on a part-time consultancy basis.
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Old 10-28-2008, 05:27 AM   #21
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Most people acknowledge that he made you feel proud to be an American. He came right off the heels of Carter, who didn't have much support. When Reagan had his inaugural address, the hostages were released. It was like a big sigh of relief. Then he was shot and lived. The Challenger exploded, and he was there, helping the country deal with the shock. The USSR collapsed, and he was there. A lot of people appreciate his nomination of the first female to the Supreme Court.
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Old 10-28-2008, 05:32 AM   #22
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You have to understand the TV culture of the 80's to fully appreciate the Reagan presidency. That was when television was peaking in influence. The fact is, the man looked great on TV and could deliver a speech. Regardless of what crazy stuff was going on in the world, Reagan could look into that camera and deliver a shot of confidence to the American people. People will love Obama for the same reasons, regardless of what he does otherwise. So long as the president can look into the camera and convince us that everything is alright, and look good doing it, it can turn into a self fulfilling prophecy.
So being able to deliver a speech will be enough for a great legacy? There has to be more to it than that. Even I'm not that cynical we have fallen that low.

What is Reagans lasting positive accomplishments . I would really like to know.
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Old 10-28-2008, 05:34 AM   #23
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Nice. For eight years the Republican president ran with a friendly and ineffectual Congress hoping to secure the unitary executive through foreign policy, signing statements, executive orders, and manipulation, and now they are the defenders of the checks and balances set up in our Constitution.
My thoughts exactly. Republicans talking about checks and balances? Give me a friggin break.
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Old 10-28-2008, 06:34 AM   #24
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Can anyone else not see this woman is a ****ing moron?

I'm not talking about dim (Bush), I'm talking about borderline ****ing retarded.

As an independent voter, I'm getting awful tired of the GOP pissing on me and then trying to tell me it's raining........

When / if the true fiscal conservative Republicans re-emerge and kick out the religious right and hate mongers - I'll be MUCH more comfortable with their positions and I don't think I'm alone in that regard......
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Old 10-28-2008, 06:43 AM   #25
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Palin is Dan Quayle with tits and a grievance.

She can't even admit to a reporter that she reads world net daily and other wacko websites.

How hard a question is it to say what you read?

Her chances in 2012 will disappear when she is not re-elected for Governor.

Oil prices are back down. Oil royalty checks to Alaskans will shrink. She has made an azz of herself in this campaign and troopergate. Did she really take on the GOP establishment in Alaska? If so, they will jump ship. Alaskan Democrats owe her nothing.

Nation's most popular governor? Yeah right. She will never again win a statewide election in Alaska.
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Old 10-28-2008, 06:56 AM   #26
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Palin is Dan Quayle with tits and a grievance.
No, and I don't think that's a fair comparison for Quayle or Palin. She's more like Bush. She's charismatic and she can get the 'beer' vote. She also has strong religious conservative credentials and does well in front of the camera. Palin will play well with much of the base, but the more intellectual republicans and Wall St. will only accept her as a last choice. Just look how many big name republicans have endorsed Obama - it has a lot to do with the Palin choice.
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Old 10-28-2008, 06:59 AM   #27
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Palin is Dan Quayle with tits and a grievance.
Pure jealousy.

You're just pissed because she is so damned good looking and shoots rifles better than you, play sports better than you, and is the most popular governor in America.

I feel ya, buddy.

Palin 2012!
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Old 10-28-2008, 07:25 AM   #28
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I voted against Ronald Reagan twice because I judged him to not be smart enough to be president. I changed my opinion on his ability to be president (he was a good one) but I never changed my opinion about his intelligence.

I considered W to be the new Rondald Reagan. Dumb as a rock, but could connect with people. Surround him with experienced grown-ups and, bingo, you have a successful presidency.

I've learned my lesson. Reagan was a once in the history of the US phenomenon. We can't afford any more dumbasses in the oval office.
Gee, I thought you said you were a conservative. Doesn't sound like it.

A president doesn't need to be a genius. 'Er unless one believes in the left wing or BIG govt idea that one man can run an entire country or an economy. ( don't know where the Constitution says that) Washington certainly wasn't a genius but his character made him a great man. RR believed the people run the show by getting the govt off their backs. Not so hard to do. Especially when it was supposed to be a weaker branch because the Founders believed in legislative superiority. KISS!

BTW it's Ronald not Rondald.
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Old 10-28-2008, 07:33 AM   #29
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The prospect of an electoral rout has unleashed a bitter bout of recriminations both within the McCain campaign and the wider conservative movement, over who is to blame and what should be done to salvage the party's future.
That sounds like the NeoCons because they always blame everyone else but themselves. They infected the real conservatives as a result. Such a bad influence.

So if true, some heavy karma is being played out right now. Unfortunately, it is fully deserved. Even some of the real conservatives, let the NeoCon rhetoric turn them into knee-jerks over the Middle East when it was based on lies. And they would stubbornly hold to them as self-evident truths despite all the contrary facts. Pure ego. It just made the electorate madder. We are all responsible for our own condition and so is the R party. It abandoned it's principles domestically and in foreign policy. This never works.
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So being able to deliver a speech will be enough for a great legacy? There has to be more to it than that. Even I'm not that cynical we have fallen that low.

What is Reagans lasting positive accomplishments . I would really like to know.
I put Reagan and Clinton in the same boat. Speaking about all the great things they have done is their strong point. Reagan started a war that will probably never end in my lifetime and is costing billions of dollars a year. Clinton just happened to be president when the internet boomed and he gets all the credit for the economic prosperity during that period.
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