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Old 12-28-2008, 11:06 AM  
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Old 12-28-2008, 09:00 PM   #76
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You're answering a question with a question which is not confronting the question.

Is Hamas a threat to the security of the United States for it to be our enemy?
I will answer that. Not at the moment but their intent is to be. So what is your answer wait untill they are??? If anyone has designs of harm against the USA they are the enemy rather they are capable or not.
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Old 12-28-2008, 09:00 PM   #77
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Do you consider Hamas to be a terrorist organization?

Do you consider Israel to be a terrorist organization/state?
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. It's all by definition. Have you read any early Israel history? Both sides have shit stain in their shorts, only one gets to wear designer shorts.
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Old 12-28-2008, 09:03 PM   #78
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I will answer that. Not at the moment but their intent is to be. So what is your answer wait untill they are??? If anyone has designs of harm against the USA they are the enemy rather they are capable or not.
Bush doctrine, I see. Still does not change the fact that Israel is using this time (the transition) to advance her agenda.
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Old 12-28-2008, 09:03 PM   #79
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One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. It's all by definition. Have you read any early Israel history? Both sides have shit stain in their shorts, only one gets to wear designer shorts.
And which one stands with us? If you stand against us I have no mercy.
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Old 12-28-2008, 09:03 PM   #80
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I will answer that. Not at the moment but their intent is to be. So what is your answer wait untill they are??? If anyone has designs of harm against the USA they are the enemy rather they are capable or not.
That is bullshit.

Wait until they are? Well hell, Hitler believed in pre-emptive war too. Do you have a final solution?
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Old 12-28-2008, 09:05 PM   #81
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And which one stands with us? If you stand against us I have no mercy.
Do you really think it's Israel that stands with us? Think again. It's US who stand with Israel.
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Old 12-28-2008, 09:07 PM   #82
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Bush doctrine, I see. Still does not change the fact that Israel is using this time (the transition) to advance her agenda.
So wait untill they are??? I must agree to disagree with you at this point as my family are fighting men. We do not stand on the sidelines.
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Old 12-28-2008, 09:09 PM   #83
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That is bullshit.

Wait until they are? Well hell, Hitler believed in pre-emptive war too. Do you have a final solution?
So you think we are nazis? really you compare our troops to the SS?
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Old 12-28-2008, 09:12 PM   #84
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So you think we are nazis? really you compare our troops to the SS?
Now you're putting words in my mouth. I said Hilter believed in pre-emptive war since you said we shouldn't wait 'til Hamas is our enemy which they intend to do (paraphased). That implies pre-empting them militarily before that happens. That's all I said. It's Israel's fight not ours. Let's not make them want to expand the list too. This is exactly waht Ronald Reagan warned us of not doing.

Also, I never trust Pravda news sources on this conflict....Haaretz is much better.

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Old 12-28-2008, 09:15 PM   #85
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Old 12-28-2008, 09:16 PM   #86
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I will answer that.
You can, but I am asking Donger. I'll await his answer. It will confirm his NC status something I've wondered about with him.
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That is bullshit.

Wait until they are? Well hell, Hitler believed in pre-emptive war too. Do you have a final solution?
Hitler wasn't much of a threat to us either, by the standards of those who dismiss that of Iraq and the various strains of radical islamists running around the middle east. He certainly wasn't an imminent threat to our mainland.
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Old 12-28-2008, 09:18 PM   #88
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Now you're putting words in my mouth. I said Hilter believed in pre-emptive war since you said we shouldn't wait 'til Hamas is our enemy which they intend to do (paraphased). That implies pre-empting them militarily before that happens. That's all I said. It's Israel's fight not ours. Let's not make them want to expand the list too. This is exactly waht Ronald Reagan warned us of not doing.

Also, I never trust Pravda news sources on this conflict....Haaretz is much better.

http://www.haaretz.com/
As I told Frankie I will agree to disagree with you. That is the problem with this fourm when heated as I am right now people tend to say things that sould not be said. I will talk to you again I hope about politics and maybe we can find common ground.
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Old 12-28-2008, 09:23 PM   #89
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Hitler wasn't much of a threat to us either, by the standards of those who dismiss that of Iraq and the various strains of radical islamists running around the middle east. He certainly wasn't an imminent threat to our mainland.
I wasn't talking to you. He still used pre-emptive war. Rogue states are into that when there is no imminent threat. Delusional paranoia leads to such acts. No one deputized us to be the world's cop. Remember Germany did declare war on us so we had a right to fight there.

Oh and the cause of terrorism is occupation. Even the British Empire was targeted.
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Old 12-28-2008, 09:24 PM   #90
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So you think we are nazis? really you compare our troops to the SS?
You know that's a real old and mangled card to keep playing. Just because someone brings up an apt point it does not mean they are calling our troops Nazis.
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