U.S. Issues Winds of secession blowing? - Page 2

SHTSPRAYER · 02-07-2009, 04:29 PM

I thought B.O. was gonna bring us all closer together?

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Lawmakers in 20 states move to reclaim sovereignty
Obama's $1 trillion deficit-spending 'stimulus plan' seen as last straw

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Posted: February 06, 2009
11:50 pm Eastern

By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

Oklahoma Republican state Sen. Randy Brogdon
NEW YORK – As the Obama administration attempts to push through Congress a nearly $1 trillion deficit spending plan that is weighted heavily toward advancing typically Democratic-supported social welfare programs, a rebellion against the growing dominance of federal control is beginning to spread at the state level.

So far, eight states have introduced resolutions declaring state sovereignty under the Ninth and Tenth Amendment to the Constitution, including Arizona, Hawaii, Montana, Michigan, Missouri, New Hampshire, Oklahoma and Washington.

Analysts expect that in addition, another 20 states may see similar measures introduced this year, including Alaska, Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Nevada, Maine and Pennsylvania.

"What we are trying to do is to get the U.S. Congress out of the state's business," Oklahoma Republican state Sen. Randy Brogdon told WND.

"Congress is completely out of line spending trillions of dollars over the last 10 years putting the nation into a debt crisis like we've never seen before," Brogdon said, arguing that the Obama stimulus plan is the last straw taxing state patience in the brewing sovereignty dispute.

"This particular 111th Congress is the biggest bunch of over-reachers and underachievers we've ever had in Congress," he said.

"A sixth-grader should realize you can't borrow money to pay off your debt, and that is the Obama administration's answer for a stimulus package," he added.

The Ninth Amendment reads, "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

The Tenth Amendment specifically provides, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Brogdon, the lead sponsor of the Oklahoma state senate version of the sovereignty bill, has been a strong opponent of extending the plan to build a four-football-fields-wide Trans-Texas Corridor parallel to Interstate-35 to Oklahoma, as WND reported.

Rollback federal authority

The various sovereignty measures moving through state legislatures are designed to reassert state authority through a rollback of federal authority under the powers enumerated in the Constitution, with the states assuming the governance of the non-enumerated powers, as required by the Tenth Amendment.

The state sovereignty measures, aimed largely at the perceived fiscal irresponsibility of Congress in the administrations of Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, have gained momentum with the $1 trillion deficit-spending economic stimulus package the Obama administration is currently pushing through Congress.

Particularly disturbing to many state legislators are the increasing number of "unfunded mandates" that have proliferated in social welfare programs, such as Medicare and Medicaid, in which bills passed by Congress dictate policy to the states without providing funding.

In addition, the various state resolutions include discussion of a wide range of policy areas, including the regulation of firearms sales (Montana) and the demand to issue drivers licenses with technology to embed personal information under the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative and the Real ID Act (Michigan).

Hawaii's measure calls for a new state constitutional convention to return self-governance, a complaint that traces back to the days it was a U.S. territory, prior to achieving statehood in 1959.

"We are trying to send a message to the federal government that the states are trying to reclaim their sovereignty," Republican Rep. Matt Shea, the lead sponsor of Washington's sovereignty resolution told WND.

"State sovereignty has been eroded in so many areas, it's hard to know where to start," he said. "There are a ton of federal mandates imposed on states, for instance, on education spending and welfare spending."

Shea said the Obama administration's economic stimulus package moving through Congress is a "perfect example."

"In the state of Washington, we have increased state spending 33 percent in the last three years and hired 6,000 new state employees, often using federal mandates as an excuse to grow state government," he said. "We need to return government back down to the people, to keep government as close to the local people as possible."

Shea is a private attorney who serves with the Alliance Defense Fund, a nationwide network of about 1,000 attorneys who work pro-bono. As a counter to the ACLU, the alliance seeks to protect and defend religious liberty, the sanctity of life and traditional family values.

Republican state Rep. Judy Burges, the primary sponsor of the sovereignty resolution in the Arizona House, told WND the federal government "has been trouncing on our constitutional rights."

"The real turning point for me was the Real ID act, which involved both a violation of the Fourth Amendments rights against the illegal searches and seizures and the Tenth Amendment," she said.

Burges told WND she is concerned that the overreaching of federal powers could lead to new legislation aimed at confiscating weapons from citizens or encoding ammunition.

"The Real ID Act was so broadly written that we are afraid that it involves the potential for "mission-creep," that could easily involve confiscation of firearms and violations of the Second Amendment," she said.

Burges said she has been surprised at the number of e-mails she has received in support of the sovereignty measure.

"We are a sovereign state in Arizona, not a branch of the federal government, and we need to be treated as such, she insisted.

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**banyon** · 02-07-2009, 05:45 PM

What a dishonest thread. This Corsi douche is just like SHTSPRAYER, he doesn't know when he's lost. These looney tunes legislative bills (which of course haven't been passed in any state or gotten even close to passing) were alive and well way before people even knew who Obama was.

**Reaper16** · 02-07-2009, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SHTSPRAYER

Right, so he lied, fearmongered and character assassinated anybody who disagreed with him. And you still lick his greasy *ss.

My Raison d'être? No, it's just a part of your BS narrative.

Let me tell you something Havelock homo, you are easily one of the biggest POS scumbags on the forum. Now quick, log off and log back in with one of your other user ID's so you can say nasty things about my mother.

You f'n POS, if you have nothing to contribute to my thread then keep out of it. Why don't you and that other metrosexual Banyon hang out in your own threads? Nobody is impressed with your fake intellectual act.

This may take the metaphorical cake as far as Shsprayer posts go; it just may be his worst non-thread-starter post yet. From thinking that Adept is an Obama apologist (or even someone who voted for Obama), to the weak homosexuality smack, to accusing Adept of being someone's alt account, to actually positing that it is even possible to "contribute" to a Shtsprayer thread, this post is busting at the seams with incorrect shit.

stevieray · 02-07-2009, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannibal

As far as I'm concerned let the entire Southeast portion of the country seceed. They'd come crawling back within 3 years though. Their education systems are so dread they would not be able to support themselves.

IIRC, Mississippi schools rank higher than California's.

Adept Havelock · 02-07-2009, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SHTSPRAYER

Right, so he lied, fearmongered and character assassinated anybody who disagreed with him. And you still lick his greasy *ss.

Incorrect. I didn't vote for President Obama. Nor will you find me defending many of his positions. Sorry to shoot that gaping hole in your "BS narrative".

Quote:

Originally Posted by SHTSPRAYER

My Raison d'être? No, it's just a part of your BS narrative.

BS Narrrative?

You post thread after thread forcasting doom, claiming the end of the USA is upon us, and that we are sure to have a military dictatorship. Sounds like "The Sky is Falling" to me.

Then again, perhaps you aren't Chicken Little. Perhaps you are just the little boy who cried wolf.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SHTSPRAYER

Let me tell you something Havelock homo, you are easily one of the biggest POS scumbags on the forum.

My, isn't your arse grimy, said the pot to the kettle. Kudos on your continuing homoerotic fixation.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SHTSPRAYER

Now quick, log off and log back in with one of your other user ID's so you can say nasty things about my mother.

Any mod will confirm this is my only login. I don't need more than one to wind you up and get you spluttering and spewing like Keith Olbermann/Ann Coulter.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SHTSPRAYER

You f'n POS, if you have nothing to contribute to my thread then keep out of it. Why don't you and that other metrosexual Banyon hang out in your own threads?

When you extend that courtesy to others, perhaps I'll consider extending it to you. Until then, I'll continue to treat you as you treat anyone whom you disagree with, sans the gutter vulgarity.

Looks like shts prayer has a bad, bad, case of "I can dish it out but can't take it".

Quote:

Originally Posted by SHTSPRAYER

Nobody is impressed with your fake intellectual act.

There are quite a few posters here whom I would gladly acknowledge as quite likely being considerably brighter than I am. Your buddy patteeu comes to mind.

That said, you may be a brilliant person in real life, but here on the planet you come across as:

Face it. Everytime you open your mouth here all you do is set your own cause back. Yammerheads like you just drown out the reasonable Conservative voices like alanm, mlyonsd, patteeu, Chief4ever, bunnytrdr, Radar Chief, etc. You know...people who are actually capable of forming a rational argument and trying to convince others of the superiority of their worldview. Much as jettio, DCS, meme, etc. do for the more reasonable "Liberal" voices on the left.

Silly imbecile.

Brock · 02-07-2009, 06:19 PM

Stupid thread.

Adept Havelock · 02-07-2009, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Stupid thread.

Good point. So...

Hydrae · 02-07-2009, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevieray

IIRC, Mississippi schools rank higher than California's.

I recently heard a rumor (nothing to substatiate this) that Texas has taken over the #50 spot for education. Don't know the validity or how this would be determined but do realize that the whole NCLB fiasco started here.

**Reaper16** · 02-07-2009, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hydrae

I recently heard a rumor (nothing to substatiate this) that Texas has taken over the #50 spot for education. Don't know the validity or how this would be determined but do realize that the whole NCLB fiasco started here.

No Child Left Behind, for me, is an even more unfortunate aspect of the W. Bush presidency than the Iraq war.

Hydrae · 02-07-2009, 06:52 PM

Oh yeah, if any state does secede, it will probably be Texas. Heck 1/2 the people already act like they are in their own country. The economy is still pretty decent in most places, housing hasn't been hit as hard as most other places and with the state heavily Republican, I can see them deciding they don't want to get dragged down with the rest of the country.

memyselfI · 02-07-2009, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannibal

As far as I'm concerned let the entire Southeast portion of the country seceed. They'd come crawling back within 3 years though. Their education systems are so dread they would not be able to support themselves.

Can they take it with them if they go?

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Sully · 02-07-2009, 08:40 PM

Hilarious!

BucEyedPea · 02-07-2009, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannibal

As far as I'm concerned let the entire Southeast portion of the country seceed. They'd come crawling back within 3 years though. Their education systems are so dread they would not be able to support themselves.

Hooray! I just got to get away. Secession sounds terrific...was thinking about it myself the other day...that this could happen. If the Soviet Union could break up then so can we. Nothing stays the same forever. Maps continuously change. We have lots of private ed and home-schooling going on down here in the SE to counteract the crapola of the crap nationwide in education. But we'll be able to support ourselves because we'll be able to keep more of our money. So you guys will be emigrating here. Let the sun shine!

Cannibal · 02-07-2009, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

Hooray! I just got to get away. Secession sounds terrific...was thinking about it myself the other day...that this could happen. If the Soviet Union could break up then so can we. Nothing stays the same forever. Maps continuously change. We have lots of private ed and home-schooling going on down here in the SE to counteract the crapola of the crap nationwide in education. But we'll be able to support ourselves because we'll be able to keep more of our money. So you guys will be emigrating here. Let the sun shine!

Trust me, your economies would crumble, hell most of them already are. Many of the southeastern red states are welfare states that take money from blue states for support.

Cannibal · 02-07-2009, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevieray

IIRC, Mississippi schools rank higher than California's.

You could possibly be correct about that. I'd have to see a link though. Although, lets be real and admit that California has a problem with immigration which would have something to do with it.

**J Diddy** · 02-08-2009, 12:10 AM

I thought everyone admitted Jerome Corsi has the journalistic integrity of Nick Athan.

02-07-2009, 04:29 PM
SHTSPRAYER Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Autosodomy NJ Casino cash: $14414	Winds of secession blowing? I thought B.O. was gonna bring us all closer together? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lawmakers in 20 states move to reclaim sovereignty Obama's $1 trillion deficit-spending 'stimulus plan' seen as last straw -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: February 06, 2009 11:50 pm Eastern By Jerome R. Corsi © 2009 WorldNetDaily Oklahoma Republican state Sen. Randy Brogdon NEW YORK – As the Obama administration attempts to push through Congress a nearly $1 trillion deficit spending plan that is weighted heavily toward advancing typically Democratic-supported social welfare programs, a rebellion against the growing dominance of federal control is beginning to spread at the state level. So far, eight states have introduced resolutions declaring state sovereignty under the Ninth and Tenth Amendment to the Constitution, including Arizona, Hawaii, Montana, Michigan, Missouri, New Hampshire, Oklahoma and Washington. Analysts expect that in addition, another 20 states may see similar measures introduced this year, including Alaska, Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Nevada, Maine and Pennsylvania. "What we are trying to do is to get the U.S. Congress out of the state's business," Oklahoma Republican state Sen. Randy Brogdon told WND. "Congress is completely out of line spending trillions of dollars over the last 10 years putting the nation into a debt crisis like we've never seen before," Brogdon said, arguing that the Obama stimulus plan is the last straw taxing state patience in the brewing sovereignty dispute. "This particular 111th Congress is the biggest bunch of over-reachers and underachievers we've ever had in Congress," he said. "A sixth-grader should realize you can't borrow money to pay off your debt, and that is the Obama administration's answer for a stimulus package," he added. The Ninth Amendment reads, "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." The Tenth Amendment specifically provides, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Brogdon, the lead sponsor of the Oklahoma state senate version of the sovereignty bill, has been a strong opponent of extending the plan to build a four-football-fields-wide Trans-Texas Corridor parallel to Interstate-35 to Oklahoma, as WND reported. Rollback federal authority The various sovereignty measures moving through state legislatures are designed to reassert state authority through a rollback of federal authority under the powers enumerated in the Constitution, with the states assuming the governance of the non-enumerated powers, as required by the Tenth Amendment. The state sovereignty measures, aimed largely at the perceived fiscal irresponsibility of Congress in the administrations of Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, have gained momentum with the $1 trillion deficit-spending economic stimulus package the Obama administration is currently pushing through Congress. Particularly disturbing to many state legislators are the increasing number of "unfunded mandates" that have proliferated in social welfare programs, such as Medicare and Medicaid, in which bills passed by Congress dictate policy to the states without providing funding. In addition, the various state resolutions include discussion of a wide range of policy areas, including the regulation of firearms sales (Montana) and the demand to issue drivers licenses with technology to embed personal information under the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative and the Real ID Act (Michigan). Hawaii's measure calls for a new state constitutional convention to return self-governance, a complaint that traces back to the days it was a U.S. territory, prior to achieving statehood in 1959. "We are trying to send a message to the federal government that the states are trying to reclaim their sovereignty," Republican Rep. Matt Shea, the lead sponsor of Washington's sovereignty resolution told WND. "State sovereignty has been eroded in so many areas, it's hard to know where to start," he said. "There are a ton of federal mandates imposed on states, for instance, on education spending and welfare spending." Shea said the Obama administration's economic stimulus package moving through Congress is a "perfect example." "In the state of Washington, we have increased state spending 33 percent in the last three years and hired 6,000 new state employees, often using federal mandates as an excuse to grow state government," he said. "We need to return government back down to the people, to keep government as close to the local people as possible." Shea is a private attorney who serves with the Alliance Defense Fund, a nationwide network of about 1,000 attorneys who work pro-bono. As a counter to the ACLU, the alliance seeks to protect and defend religious liberty, the sanctity of life and traditional family values. Republican state Rep. Judy Burges, the primary sponsor of the sovereignty resolution in the Arizona House, told WND the federal government "has been trouncing on our constitutional rights." "The real turning point for me was the Real ID act, which involved both a violation of the Fourth Amendments rights against the illegal searches and seizures and the Tenth Amendment," she said. Burges told WND she is concerned that the overreaching of federal powers could lead to new legislation aimed at confiscating weapons from citizens or encoding ammunition. "The Real ID Act was so broadly written that we are afraid that it involves the potential for "mission-creep," that could easily involve confiscation of firearms and violations of the Second Amendment," she said. Burges said she has been surprised at the number of e-mails she has received in support of the sovereignty measure. "We are a sovereign state in Arizona, not a branch of the federal government, and we need to be treated as such, she insisted. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...w&pageId=88218
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banyon Supporter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Dodge City, Kansas Casino cash: $76625	What a dishonest thread. This Corsi douche is just like SHTSPRAYER, he doesn't know when he's lost. These looney tunes legislative bills (which of course haven't been passed in any state or gotten even close to passing) were alive and well way before people even knew who Obama was. __________________ Last edited by banyon; 02-07-2009 at 06:26 PM..
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