U.S. Issues Winds of secession blowing? - Page 3

SHTSPRAYER · 02-07-2009, 04:29 PM

I thought B.O. was gonna bring us all closer together?

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Lawmakers in 20 states move to reclaim sovereignty
Obama's $1 trillion deficit-spending 'stimulus plan' seen as last straw

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Posted: February 06, 2009
11:50 pm Eastern

By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

Oklahoma Republican state Sen. Randy Brogdon
NEW YORK – As the Obama administration attempts to push through Congress a nearly $1 trillion deficit spending plan that is weighted heavily toward advancing typically Democratic-supported social welfare programs, a rebellion against the growing dominance of federal control is beginning to spread at the state level.

So far, eight states have introduced resolutions declaring state sovereignty under the Ninth and Tenth Amendment to the Constitution, including Arizona, Hawaii, Montana, Michigan, Missouri, New Hampshire, Oklahoma and Washington.

Analysts expect that in addition, another 20 states may see similar measures introduced this year, including Alaska, Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Nevada, Maine and Pennsylvania.

"What we are trying to do is to get the U.S. Congress out of the state's business," Oklahoma Republican state Sen. Randy Brogdon told WND.

"Congress is completely out of line spending trillions of dollars over the last 10 years putting the nation into a debt crisis like we've never seen before," Brogdon said, arguing that the Obama stimulus plan is the last straw taxing state patience in the brewing sovereignty dispute.

"This particular 111th Congress is the biggest bunch of over-reachers and underachievers we've ever had in Congress," he said.

"A sixth-grader should realize you can't borrow money to pay off your debt, and that is the Obama administration's answer for a stimulus package," he added.

The Ninth Amendment reads, "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

The Tenth Amendment specifically provides, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Brogdon, the lead sponsor of the Oklahoma state senate version of the sovereignty bill, has been a strong opponent of extending the plan to build a four-football-fields-wide Trans-Texas Corridor parallel to Interstate-35 to Oklahoma, as WND reported.

Rollback federal authority

The various sovereignty measures moving through state legislatures are designed to reassert state authority through a rollback of federal authority under the powers enumerated in the Constitution, with the states assuming the governance of the non-enumerated powers, as required by the Tenth Amendment.

The state sovereignty measures, aimed largely at the perceived fiscal irresponsibility of Congress in the administrations of Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, have gained momentum with the $1 trillion deficit-spending economic stimulus package the Obama administration is currently pushing through Congress.

Particularly disturbing to many state legislators are the increasing number of "unfunded mandates" that have proliferated in social welfare programs, such as Medicare and Medicaid, in which bills passed by Congress dictate policy to the states without providing funding.

In addition, the various state resolutions include discussion of a wide range of policy areas, including the regulation of firearms sales (Montana) and the demand to issue drivers licenses with technology to embed personal information under the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative and the Real ID Act (Michigan).

Hawaii's measure calls for a new state constitutional convention to return self-governance, a complaint that traces back to the days it was a U.S. territory, prior to achieving statehood in 1959.

"We are trying to send a message to the federal government that the states are trying to reclaim their sovereignty," Republican Rep. Matt Shea, the lead sponsor of Washington's sovereignty resolution told WND.

"State sovereignty has been eroded in so many areas, it's hard to know where to start," he said. "There are a ton of federal mandates imposed on states, for instance, on education spending and welfare spending."

Shea said the Obama administration's economic stimulus package moving through Congress is a "perfect example."

"In the state of Washington, we have increased state spending 33 percent in the last three years and hired 6,000 new state employees, often using federal mandates as an excuse to grow state government," he said. "We need to return government back down to the people, to keep government as close to the local people as possible."

Shea is a private attorney who serves with the Alliance Defense Fund, a nationwide network of about 1,000 attorneys who work pro-bono. As a counter to the ACLU, the alliance seeks to protect and defend religious liberty, the sanctity of life and traditional family values.

Republican state Rep. Judy Burges, the primary sponsor of the sovereignty resolution in the Arizona House, told WND the federal government "has been trouncing on our constitutional rights."

"The real turning point for me was the Real ID act, which involved both a violation of the Fourth Amendments rights against the illegal searches and seizures and the Tenth Amendment," she said.

Burges told WND she is concerned that the overreaching of federal powers could lead to new legislation aimed at confiscating weapons from citizens or encoding ammunition.

"The Real ID Act was so broadly written that we are afraid that it involves the potential for "mission-creep," that could easily involve confiscation of firearms and violations of the Second Amendment," she said.

Burges said she has been surprised at the number of e-mails she has received in support of the sovereignty measure.

"We are a sovereign state in Arizona, not a branch of the federal government, and we need to be treated as such, she insisted.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...w&pageId=88218

T-post Tom · 02-08-2009, 01:40 AM

"© 2009 WorldNetDaily "

There ya go...

Simplex3 · 02-08-2009, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Hydrae

Oh yeah, if any state does secede, it will probably be Texas. Heck 1/2 the people already act like they are in their own country. The economy is still pretty decent in most places, housing hasn't been hit as hard as most other places and with the state heavily Republican, I can see them deciding they don't want to get dragged down with the rest of the country.

I've said for years they need to secede. I'd be there in a second.

Simplex3 · 02-08-2009, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by T-post Tom

"© 2009 WorldNetDaily "

There ya go...

People like you amaze me. You will believe or discount an entire story based entirely on the source that published it. You don't check the facts, verify the quotes, or think through the points being made, you just assume that a story is accurate or inaccurate based on what URL your browser was pointed at when you read it.

SHTSPRAYER · 02-08-2009, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SHTSPRAYER

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Originally Posted by SHTSPRAYER

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Originally Posted by Cannibal

As far as I'm concerned let the entire Southeast portion of the country seceed. They'd come crawling back within 3 years though. Their education systems are so dread they would not be able to support themselves.

Where do you think your food comes from you moron? Do you think chickens magically appear in the frozen food aisle? You are such a retard.

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Originally Posted by banyon

What a dishonest thread. This Corsi douche is just like SHTSPRAYER, he doesn't know when he's lost. These looney tunes legislative bills (which of course haven't been passed in any state or gotten even close to passing) were alive and well way before people even knew who Obama was.

Blah blah blah

Nothing but ad hominems from the self proclaimed authority of it all. My God, but your parents must have blown alot of smoke up your *ss.

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

This may take the metaphorical cake as far as Shsprayer posts go; it just may be his worst non-thread-starter post yet. From thinking that Adept is an Obama apologist (or even someone who voted for Obama), to the weak homosexuality smack blah blah blah bullshit.

Right, like you and the other moonbats calling Ann Coulter a tranny every other post. You should just shut up at least until you have something with a modicum of integrity to say.

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Originally Posted by Adept Havelock

When you extend that courtesy to others, perhaps I'll consider extending it to you.

Oh no, the internet police.

Go snuggle up with your boyfriend, Twinkle Toes, and get the F out of my thread. You jackass.

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Originally Posted by Brick

Stupid thread.

So why are you in it? Wait, never mind.

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Originally Posted by memyselfI

Can they take it with them if they go?

Non
Athletic
Sport
Centered
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Rednecks

Don't forget half the players in the NFL.

Cannibal is head and tails the biggest retard on the forum. No wonder he kisses up to Bunyon so much.

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Originally Posted by Sully

Hilarious!

What, that quasi-church you belong to? I didn't want to hurt your feelings, but yeah, it is pretty stupid.

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Originally Posted by J Diddy

I thought everyone admitted Jerome Corsi has the journalistic integrity of Nick "Assclown" Athan.

Another ad hominem.

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Originally Posted by T-post Tom

"© 2009 MSNBC "

There ya go...

FYP

Now your moonbat brain has been tricked into allowing you to actually read the article.

**banyon** · 02-08-2009, 09:27 AM

Boy, that was an effective reply.

Why not just say WAAAAAAAAAH! I can't reply to all these people criticizing me!

VAChief · 02-08-2009, 10:00 AM

Jerome Corsi prefers little boys...nuff said

**alanm** · 02-08-2009, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal

Trust me, your economies would crumble, hell most of them already are. Many of the southeastern red states are welfare states that take money from blue states for support.

Minorities would move out if the federal handouts stopped coming.

StcChief · 02-08-2009, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Hydrae

Oh yeah, if any state does secede, it will probably be Texas. Heck 1/2 the people already act like they are in their own country. The economy is still pretty decent in most places, housing hasn't been hit as hard as most other places and with the state heavily Republican, I can see them deciding they don't want to get dragged down with the rest of the country.

interesting bit of history post civil war....

http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/ref/about...ion/index.html

they are an independent bunch. It would not surprise me at all if they succeed.

**Reaper16** · 02-08-2009, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SHTSPRAYER

Right, like you and the other moonbats calling Ann Coulter a tranny every other post. You should just shut up at least until you have something with a modicum of integrity to say.

I don't think that I've ever called Coulter a tranny, or any other such similarly disparaging term, on this board. So your suggestion to shut up doesn't apply to me.

SHTSPRAYER · 02-08-2009, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

I don't think that I've ever called Coulter a tranny, or any other such similarly disparaging term, on this board. So your suggestion to shut up doesn't apply to me.

I didn't say you did, but obviously you must notice it when your fellow moonbats do it. Be consistent, Rimmer.

SHTSPRAYER · 02-08-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by StcChief

interesting bit of history post civil war....

http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/ref/about...ion/index.html

they are an independent bunch. It would not surprise me at all if they succeed.

They should. In terms of oil and beef, they would have a self sustaining economy with net-exports higher than net-imports.

Why should Texas send money to Washington so that scumbag B.O. can give billions of dollars to ACORn or to build schools in Milwaukee where they have 15 empty schools because the population is decreasing? This is BS and any state that is fiscally responsible should be outraged.

SHTSPRAYER · 02-08-2009, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by banyon

Boy, that was an effective reply.

Why not just say WAAAAAAAAAH! I can't reply to all these people criticizing me!

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Thou doth project too much.

Go pick up your laundry from your mother, you spoiled brat.

Cannibal · 02-08-2009, 11:23 AM

SHTSWALLOWER getting schooled on a daily basis since July 2008. What a maroon.

**Reaper16** · 02-08-2009, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SHTSPRAYER

I didn't say you did, but obviously you must notice it when your fellow moonbats do it. Be consistent, Rimmer.

This is going to surprise you, but I actually don't post in lockstep with anyone with a similar political persuasion as myself. Its true. I know that you see all of us "moonbats" as hive-minded automatons, but I, in fact, have and display independent thought.

SHTSPRAYER · 02-08-2009, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16

This is going to surprise you, but I actually don't post in lockstep with anyone with a similar political persuasion as myself. Its true. I know that you see all of us "moonbats" as hive-minded automatons, but I, in fact, have and display independent thought.

Right, that's why you are all in here together ganging up on me. But you're not with 'them'.

And once again, I'm kicking all your *sses.

02-07-2009, 04:29 PM
SHTSPRAYER Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Autosodomy NJ Casino cash: $14414	Winds of secession blowing? I thought B.O. was gonna bring us all closer together? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lawmakers in 20 states move to reclaim sovereignty Obama's $1 trillion deficit-spending 'stimulus plan' seen as last straw -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: February 06, 2009 11:50 pm Eastern By Jerome R. Corsi © 2009 WorldNetDaily Oklahoma Republican state Sen. Randy Brogdon NEW YORK – As the Obama administration attempts to push through Congress a nearly $1 trillion deficit spending plan that is weighted heavily toward advancing typically Democratic-supported social welfare programs, a rebellion against the growing dominance of federal control is beginning to spread at the state level. So far, eight states have introduced resolutions declaring state sovereignty under the Ninth and Tenth Amendment to the Constitution, including Arizona, Hawaii, Montana, Michigan, Missouri, New Hampshire, Oklahoma and Washington. Analysts expect that in addition, another 20 states may see similar measures introduced this year, including Alaska, Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Nevada, Maine and Pennsylvania. "What we are trying to do is to get the U.S. Congress out of the state's business," Oklahoma Republican state Sen. Randy Brogdon told WND. "Congress is completely out of line spending trillions of dollars over the last 10 years putting the nation into a debt crisis like we've never seen before," Brogdon said, arguing that the Obama stimulus plan is the last straw taxing state patience in the brewing sovereignty dispute. "This particular 111th Congress is the biggest bunch of over-reachers and underachievers we've ever had in Congress," he said. "A sixth-grader should realize you can't borrow money to pay off your debt, and that is the Obama administration's answer for a stimulus package," he added. The Ninth Amendment reads, "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." The Tenth Amendment specifically provides, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Brogdon, the lead sponsor of the Oklahoma state senate version of the sovereignty bill, has been a strong opponent of extending the plan to build a four-football-fields-wide Trans-Texas Corridor parallel to Interstate-35 to Oklahoma, as WND reported. Rollback federal authority The various sovereignty measures moving through state legislatures are designed to reassert state authority through a rollback of federal authority under the powers enumerated in the Constitution, with the states assuming the governance of the non-enumerated powers, as required by the Tenth Amendment. The state sovereignty measures, aimed largely at the perceived fiscal irresponsibility of Congress in the administrations of Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, have gained momentum with the $1 trillion deficit-spending economic stimulus package the Obama administration is currently pushing through Congress. Particularly disturbing to many state legislators are the increasing number of "unfunded mandates" that have proliferated in social welfare programs, such as Medicare and Medicaid, in which bills passed by Congress dictate policy to the states without providing funding. In addition, the various state resolutions include discussion of a wide range of policy areas, including the regulation of firearms sales (Montana) and the demand to issue drivers licenses with technology to embed personal information under the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative and the Real ID Act (Michigan). Hawaii's measure calls for a new state constitutional convention to return self-governance, a complaint that traces back to the days it was a U.S. territory, prior to achieving statehood in 1959. "We are trying to send a message to the federal government that the states are trying to reclaim their sovereignty," Republican Rep. Matt Shea, the lead sponsor of Washington's sovereignty resolution told WND. "State sovereignty has been eroded in so many areas, it's hard to know where to start," he said. "There are a ton of federal mandates imposed on states, for instance, on education spending and welfare spending." Shea said the Obama administration's economic stimulus package moving through Congress is a "perfect example." "In the state of Washington, we have increased state spending 33 percent in the last three years and hired 6,000 new state employees, often using federal mandates as an excuse to grow state government," he said. "We need to return government back down to the people, to keep government as close to the local people as possible." Shea is a private attorney who serves with the Alliance Defense Fund, a nationwide network of about 1,000 attorneys who work pro-bono. As a counter to the ACLU, the alliance seeks to protect and defend religious liberty, the sanctity of life and traditional family values. Republican state Rep. Judy Burges, the primary sponsor of the sovereignty resolution in the Arizona House, told WND the federal government "has been trouncing on our constitutional rights." "The real turning point for me was the Real ID act, which involved both a violation of the Fourth Amendments rights against the illegal searches and seizures and the Tenth Amendment," she said. Burges told WND she is concerned that the overreaching of federal powers could lead to new legislation aimed at confiscating weapons from citizens or encoding ammunition. "The Real ID Act was so broadly written that we are afraid that it involves the potential for "mission-creep," that could easily involve confiscation of firearms and violations of the Second Amendment," she said. Burges said she has been surprised at the number of e-mails she has received in support of the sovereignty measure. "We are a sovereign state in Arizona, not a branch of the federal government, and we need to be treated as such, she insisted. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...w&pageId=88218
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