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Old 04-17-2009, 12:45 PM  
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Nearly 20% of Texans in favor of Secceeding from Union

Friday, April 17, 2009

Thirty-one percent (31%) of Texas voters say that their state has the right to secede from the United States and form an independent country.

However, the latest Rasmussen Reports poll in the state finds that if the matter was put to a vote, it wouldn’t even be close. Three-fourths (75%) of Lone Star State voters would opt to remain in the United States. Only 18% would vote to secede, and seven percent (7%) are not sure what they'd choose.

Texas Governor Rick Perry, in response to a reporter’s question about secession at a protest "tea party," said Wednesday, "We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that? But Texas is a very unique place, and we're a pretty independent lot to boot." The comment was widely reported in the media.

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The underlying views of Texans about government are generally similar to those in the rest of the nation. By a 73% to 11% margin, Texans trust the collective judgment of the American people more than the judgment of political leaders.

By a 62% to 21% margin, voters in Perry’s state believe that big business and big government typically work together against the interests of consumers and investors. And, by a 63% to 24% margin, Texans view the federal government itself as a special interest group.

Overall, seven percent (7%) of Texas voters have views that align with America’s Political Class or lean in that direction. Fifty-two percent (52%) of Texans hold views that can be considered populist or Mainstream. Nationally, those figures are seven percent (7%) for the Political Class and 55% for the Mainstream view.

When “leaners” are included, 15% of Texans can be counted as somewhat supportive of the Political Class while 73% hold the opposite perspective.

Texas voters who view the federal government as a special interest group are evenly divided as to whether or not their state has the right to secede. However, two-thirds (64%) of those who view the federal government as a special interest group would still vote to stay in the union rather than secede.

Nationally, the divide between the Mainstream and the Political Class is clear on an issue like immigration. While 66% of voters nationwide say it is Very Important for the government to improve its enforcement of the borders and reduce illegal immigration, just 32% of America’s Political Class agrees.

The secession question was prompted by "tea parties" nationwide on April 15 to express frustration about the high level of new federal government spending. But President Obama has maintained solid approval ratings over the past month in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll.

In recent weeks, short-term expectations for the economy have improved dramatically, but longer-term expectations have moved in the opposite direction. Sixty percent (60%) of Americans now say it will take three years or longer for housing prices to recover. Confidence in the U.S. banking system is up slightly since February, though.

The Rasmussen Consumer and Investor Indexes, which measure confidence on a daily basis, ended a four-day skid on Friday.

In Texas, Perry finds himself in a challenging environment for reelection as he seeks an unprecedented third consecutive term as governor. Another Republican, Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, will be running against him. Hutchison is viewed favorably by 67% of voters statewide, Perry by 55%.

Twenty-five percent (25%) have a Very Favorable opinion of Hutchison while only five percent (5%) of Texas voters have a Very Unfavorable opinion of her. For Perry, the numbers are 19% Very Favorable and 19% Very Unfavorable.

Among Republicans, Hutchison earns positive reviews from 83%, Perry from 78%.

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Old 04-19-2009, 10:53 PM   #61
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I personally consider anyone who wants to secede to be guilty of treason. The funny thing is, it is the people that consider themselves to be super patriots that want to secede. Logic isn't their strong suit.
You're more than welcome to follow the masses off the edge of the cliff. I guess that's why opinions are just like a-holes, everyone has one?
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Old 04-19-2009, 10:54 PM   #62
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You may have tons of logic, but you don't have much when it comes to understanding what treason is.
The south fought a war against their own country when they seceded, if that isn't treason what is?

Secessionists are really childish people. They lost the election, now they want to take their ball and go home. Grow up.
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Old 04-19-2009, 10:55 PM   #63
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You're more than welcome to follow the masses off the edge of the cliff. I guess that's why opinions are just like a-holes, everyone has one?
Bush drove us off the cliff, Obama is trying to keep us from crashing into the rocks below.
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Old 04-19-2009, 10:57 PM   #64
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Bush drove us off the cliff, Obama is making sure we have plenty of extra weight to heighten the impact.
FYP. Bush=Obama, Obama=Bush.
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Old 04-19-2009, 11:01 PM   #65
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FYP. Bush=Obama, Obama=Bush.
Bullshit.

One question. Do you believe in government by the people? The people spoke, and your side lost. You can't be in favor of government by the people only when the people agree with you, then want to leave when they don't. That is for pussies.

Sorry, Ron Paul (or any other libertarian) will never be president.
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Old 04-19-2009, 11:03 PM   #66
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Bullshit.

One question. Do you believe in government by the people? The people spoke, and your side lost. You can't be in favor of government by the people only when the people agree with you.
By the NON BRAINWASHED people why yes, yes i do. What great change has Obama brought, better yet what has he not lied about except for pushing carbon tax?
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Old 04-19-2009, 11:08 PM   #67
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The south fought a war against their own country when they seceded, if that isn't treason what is?

Secessionists are really childish people. They lost the election, now they want to take their ball and go home. Grow up.
The South did fight against their own country. Nothing has been done today except people have been polled and would be okay with seceding. How are the people today guilty of treason?
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Bullshit.

One question. Do you believe in government by the people? The people spoke, and your side lost. You can't be in favor of government by the people only when the people agree with you, then want to leave when they don't. That is for pussies.

Sorry, Ron Paul (or any other libertarian) will never be president.
You know, the country shifts politically like it's on a pendulum. The further it goes left, like it has recently, the further to the right it will go later. As much as you'd hate to believe it someone like Obama will make it much more likely that someone like Ron Paul could actually be elected. I put the emphasis on the word like for everyone to see, that way when I'm quoted as saying Ron Paul will be elected I can't point out how stupid that comment was.
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FYP. Bush=Obama, Obama=Bush.
The sheer hated of Bush by many of Obama's disciples makes it impossible for them to see this obvious truth.
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You know, the country shifts politically like it's on a pendulum. The further it goes left, like it has recently, the further to the right it will go later. As much as you'd hate to believe it someone like Obama will make it much more likely that someone like Ron Paul could actually be elected. I put the emphasis on the word like for everyone to see, that way when I'm quoted as saying Ron Paul will be elected I can't point out how stupid that comment was.
That's not necessarily true. It's not like there was a huge conservative backlash that was successful after the New Deal.

The New Deal and the Progressive Movement before that basically set the course and with it, the standard, of which all future acts of government were sized up to. If Ron Paul, or someone like him wins, it will be the most significant step backwards (I say that neutrally) we would ever see. Essentially the 20th century would be turned around.


But I don't think we'll ever see that. I really don't think there's any significant demand for that.

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The sheer hated of Bush by many of Obama's disciples makes it impossible for them to see this obvious truth.
Yup, it's just a matter of living through each puppet trying to pull a few out of the fire.
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You know, the country shifts politically like it's on a pendulum. The further it goes left, like it has recently, the further to the right it will go later. As much as you'd hate to believe it someone like Obama will make it much more likely that someone like Ron Paul could actually be elected. I put the emphasis on the word like for everyone to see, that way when I'm quoted as saying Ron Paul will be elected I can't point out how stupid that comment was.
It went left because it had gone to the EXTREME right the last 8 years.
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That's not necessarily true. It's not like there was a huge conservative backlash that was successful after the New Deal.

The New Deal and the Progressive Movement before that basically set the course and with it, the standard, of which all future acts of government were sized up to. If Ron Paul, or someone like him wins, it will be the most significant step backwards (I say that neutrally) we would ever see. Essentially the 20th century would be turned around.


But I don't think we'll ever see that. I really don't think there's any significant demand for that.
Actually I think it would be interesting to see Texas secede, then become the libertarian wet dream Ron Paul supporters dream of. Then they would see just how unrealistic their beliefs are.
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It went left because it had gone to the EXTREME right the last 8 years.
The country swung way to the right on 9.11.01---it's been moving left ever since.

I was just pointing that out that eventually things are going to swing to the right, and when they do it's not going to be minor, like Bush was, it's going to be WAAAAYYYYYYYYY to the right.
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That's not necessarily true. It's not like there was a huge conservative backlash that was successful after the New Deal.

The New Deal and the Progressive Movement before that basically set the course and with it, the standard, of which all future acts of government were sized up to. If Ron Paul, or someone like him wins, it will be the most significant step backwards (I say that neutrally) we would ever see. Essentially the 20th century would be turned around.


But I don't think we'll ever see that. I really don't think there's any significant demand for that.
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